Awefull...

[milky_way]

couple questions about the Bucks...

-how's Ray's knee? i haven't heard about it for a while...do you know if he's better yet? (or will this hamper him all year like his knee injury last year?) :(

-What happened to all the Mase-trade rumors? heck, why isn't Mase traded yet???

-WHY HAVEN'T THE BUCKS RESIGNED MICHAEL REDD YET???? i thought that was FIRST on thier offseason priority list! jeez, they must not be getting a lot done :hmm:...

[awefullspellare]

good ?'s from waht i know RAy's knee is doing fine! aobut the mase trade rumors since thye died down im not sure their was ever going to be a trade. MAybe there was but it never woorked out i guess. aobut resigngin Micahel reed yeah i ahvent heard of a lot of sginign this summer i think they will resign him eventually bt they have not 2 much.

[milky_way]

resigning Redd was supposed to be the first thing they were gonna do this summer. what have they been doing??? if Redd ends up signing somewhere else, then something is really screwed up :nut:

[bIgBaLlAs]

Either way the Bucks are terrible! There probably is not getting anymore shooters, they did fine there. What they need is a good defensive forward or center to help clog things up in the center.

Obviously, Mason (aka the big dumb...bo) didn't work out. But he's old, he sucks, and whose going to want him.

[milky_way]

the Bucks were a bunch of underachievers last season. Mase looked like he was going to be the piece that was gonna take them to the Championship...but obviously they were wrong :freak:. WAY wrong. the injuries to Robinson, Cassell, and Allen didn't help either. they only played a few games together, and even fewer when all three were healthy. but STILL, they underachieved. They need a center. I dunno if they're gonna trade Mase anymore after they traded Robinson. i think they're gonna play more sound now since Glenn's in Atlanta, with Allen being the *STAR* and everyone else playing more of a role. They couldn't do that with Robinson there. whether it helps them or not we'll see :)

[bIgBaLlAs]

I'll agree with you on that one! I think that they just had too many people who wanted the ball, and that hurt them. But also that they had no overpowering player on their team. Thats why they need to go after a good forward-center to have a shot. Someone who can take some pressure off Cassell and Ray Allen. Thats probably what they thought they Had in Glenn Robinson, but he turned out to be the weakest, most pathetic big guy in the game!

Analysis - Overrated

[milky_way]

Originally posted by bIgBaLlAs
Thats probably what they thought they Had in Glenn Robinson, but he turned out to be the weakest, most pathetic big guy in the game!

you mean Mason?

Mase really slowed down the tempo of the game (because he held the ball so freakin long), which was bad for the fast-pased game Allen, Cassell, and Robinson play. with Robinson gone, i think they'll go to a slower paced game. Maybe Mase will be better :)

[bIgBaLlAs]

No actually I meant Glenn Robinson. I think that Milwaukee needs someone with a low post game that could force some double teams, openning up the perimeter for their shooters. They had noone remotely like that, so I think thats why they gave Robinson the boot. Two pesky little shooters was enough.

btw...I don't disagree with the whole Mason being fat and stupid thing. That was a good analysis.:cool:

[milky_way]

well if you meant Robinson...

Robinson was supposed to be the franchise player. he isn't a power forward/center, he's more of a SF/SG, who CAN play PF in very rare occasions (such as when they have the incredibly small Cassell/Allen/Redd/Thomas/Robinson lineup out there). he has a GREAT 15-foot jumper, probably one of the best in the game. BUT, he isn't a post player, and he can't handle the ball for anything. i cringed when i saw him dribble :freak:. He was the first of the Big Three to arrive in Milwaukee, and when he wasn't working out they traded for Allen. Allen is a better shooter than Robinson, and probably a better penetrator than Robinson. but, Allen and Robinson are similar players. So is Cassell. What they really needed was a good post player (someone like Duncan, but of course they weren't gonna get Duncan). I think that's what they thought they had in Mase, because Mase was a hard nosed PF. Obviously, that didn't work out all too well.

[bIgBaLlAs]

Agreed, but I wasn't saying that Robinson was needed to be PF-C. What I was trying to say was that since he is obviously slower and has almost no ball handling skills, that he would have been more valuable to have as a post player. I think the franchise realized that Robinson had no intentions of fixing his game and so they decided to go for a change.

In order to slow down their game they have to have a low post player and Mase is not going to cut it.

[milky_way]

i agree Robinson should have spent more time on his post game, but he really is too small to play the post like a PF would. i can't imagine him trying to guard the Malone's, O'Neal's, and Martin's of the world :eek:. They'd kill him. Robinson is only 6'7", 201 lbs. he's too small to play the post full time. i think there were several reasons why they dumped him:
1. He was a cancer. Him and Karl used to go at it (via media :hmm: ). he came off as a lazy, soft player.
2. Speaking of being a cancer, he also recently get into trouble with the law (domestic violence?). i don't know if that had something to do with him being traded, but i wouldn't bet against it.
3. Him, Allen, and Cassell wasn't gonna work. it worked for one great season (2001), but after that they went crashing and burning into the ground. Who do they trade? Cassell, being the PG, is too valuable (he can easily be considered the team MVP). Allen was thier franchise player, their best perimeter defender, the youngest, and it was HIM who stepped up in the playoffs when Robinson disappeared. Robinson was the easiest to replace, and he was the weakest link of the three. He couldn't dribble, he wasn't a good defender, he had that mid-range jumper and a nice three point shot, but that was it. Thus, he gets shipped off for *sigh* Toni Kukoc & Co.

I think the jury is still out in the Mase/Bucks case. Last year the chemistry was never right. there were too many injuries to all of the Big Three and to Thomas and Redd, and Mase just didn't fit at all into the Bucks style of play. Now that Robinson is in Atlanta, he may fit, and he may fit well. If they all stay healthy the Bucks may be a good team.

[bIgBaLlAs]

Personally I think that they are much better off with out him. I always thought he was kind of a soft, and his numbers were always just average.
However, I think that they could have done a little bit better then what they did in that trade. I'm sure they could milked a Shareef or something out of Atlanta. Isn't that the purpose of sorry teams, to dump salary. Actually I think that Atlanta could be real good if they stay healthy.
I think that Glenn will enjoy his role in Atlanta because he won't have to worry about anything in the paint with Shareef and Theo Ratliff doing the dirty work. His numbers may improve quite a bit.
But I still hate the guy!!haha:eviltongu

[milky_way]

i never liked Robinson either. he was too soft. and Milwaukee did get screwed in the trade. i'm happy that they got rid of Robinson, they got nothing great in return. they went the "Addition-by-Subtraction" way, and hell it may work for them being the subtraction was Robinson.

[bIgBaLlAs]

Hey! The Bucks did get Kukoc! I mean how many championships does that guy have?!? Of course there was a guy named Jordan on those teams, but they may have had nothing to do with it! haha

[milky_way]

Kukoc used to be good. i remember him killing Indy in the playoffs in 98 :eviltongu. then he sorta disappeared into obscurity once the Bulls fell apart :umm. he isn't worth Robinson though