AddictsSport's Alltime Basketball Team Post 1980's Centers

[uj4l]

Let's Have Fun:clap2: Vote for the person you would like to win.

[renuszm]

Wh is Yao Ming on this poll? He hasn't even played half a year. Anyway, I voted Hakeem, blocks shots, scores points with that famous jump shot of his. Too bad he sucked it up in TO.

[uj4l]

i put ming as a joke. buti voted for shaq because he is dominating so much and will get even better because he is still young.

[renuszm]

Shaq isn't young, he is a little over 30 now, and he already said he would retire soon.

[uj4l]

i think he is 30...wait lemme check....yup he is 30...he has a couple of more years,

[renuszm]

yeah, 30 isn't exactly young, and its about the time when you start to decline, and like I said, Shaw said he will retire soon.

[uj4l]

here is a comparison for career stats:


POINTS
Shaq: 27.6
Hakeem: 21.8

BLOCKS
Shaq: 2.62
Hakeem: 3.09

REBOUNDS
Shaq: 12.20
Hakeem: 11.10

ASSISTS
Shaq: 2.8
Hakeem: 2.5

TURNOVERS
Shaq: 2.88
Hakeem: 2.96

FIELD GOAL %
Shaq: .557
Hakeem: .512


Shaq wins 5-1

[renuszm]

Yeah, I bet those stats are including Hakeen when he played his last years in Houston and Toronto, he was what...40? Shaq is 30 and will decline as well.
And most of the category's are pretty close.

[awefullspellare]

Moses Malone, he was great

[rockin500]

how bout FT percentage? shaq still cant hit a free throw.

[renuszm]

Originally posted by rockin500
how bout FT percentage? shaq still cant hit a free throw.
who'd ya vote for ray?

[rockin500]

i still went with shaq. despite his FT lack of prowess

[uj4l]

was hakeem good at free throws? i know shaq aint the best but he is getting way better

[renuszm]

Anyways, I dont know if anyone saw the 1994 NBA finals ( didin't) but Hakeem badly outplayed Shaq (who was playing with the Magic)

[uj4l]

shq was still young with the magic

[renuszm]

What is your point though? Hakeem was once young and he still did well.

[uj4l]

so...u dont judge players when they were young....u judge them by when they were in their prime. DUH!!!

[renuszm]

Yao Ming is young, and we are judging him in this thread, since about all of the votes that are made are going to wose going to be the best in the future, I might as well change my vote to him and convert to the Walton religion./

[uj4l]

i put Ming Yao as a joke. i dont think anyone was going to vote for him. i think that shaq is better than hakeem NOW. as i said opinions are like @$$holes everyone has one

[renuszm]

I'm changing my vote to Yao Ming, he has changed the game :D

[rockin500]

yes, you have to judge players when they are young too. especailly with his talent, shaq should be judged pretty hard when young.

[uj4l]

i wouldnt say he was the best when he was young. but yes he was still good

[renuszm]

Hakeem is still better IMO.

[uj4l]

and Shaq is still better IMO

[renuszm]

I was just looking at stats in their prime years. Let's say their 7th year in the league.
Points: Shaq 26.3
Hakeem 21.2
Blocks: Shaq 1.67
Hakeem 2.9
Rebounds: Shaq 10.70
Hakeem 13.80
Assists: Shaq 2.3
Hakeem 2.3
Turnovers: Shaq 2.49
Hakeem 3.1
Much more close this time.

[uj4l]

ok..but u know how u said shaq said he will retire soon? and u know how hakeem will too? well they are both about to retire. so that means that u should look at their career stats

[renuszm]

Originally posted by uj4l
ok..but u know how u said shaq said he will retire soon? and u know how hakeem will too? well they are both about to retire. so that means that u should look at their career stats There's a differnce, Hakeem is 39 and Shaq is 30. If Shaq played until Hakeem's age, he would likely slack of near the end like Hakeem did.

[uj4l]

the world will never know:umm

[renuszm]

It's common for players to decline near the end of their careers, look at MJ, he doesen't dominate like he used to.

[uj4l]

yeaeh malone still averages 18.3. not bad for a 39 year old. hakeem is the same age as malone. and malone still averages that much. and hakeem averages 7.3(well last year)

[renuszm]

That's a totally different position as well. Hakeem faces different defensive matchups every night.

[uj4l]

yeah they are different positions but centers are supposed to score the most. besides what is wrong with hakeem? how bad is his injury? i think he should just retire

[awefullspellare]

Originally posted by uj4l
yeah they are different positions but centers are supposed to score the most. besides what is wrong with hakeem? how
bad is his injury? i think he should just retire
Nowadays i think gaurds score a TON more than Centers, for the most part!

[rockin500]

a center is not supposed to score the most for your team. thats what your shooting guard is for. your center is supposed to score, block and rebound. :)

[uj4l]

it probably just depends on the center. but when is hakeem coming back?

[renuszm]

Originally posted by uj4l
it probably just depends on the center. but when is hakeem coming back?
Hakeem retired a month ago.
And yes, a center job is mainly to rebound, block shots and everything else that you can do when your 7'0 tall. Also Hakeem spent a lot of his last few years on the bench and not starting, which explains why he scored only 7 ppg

[uj4l]

u sure he retired cause i thought he was only injured

[renuszm]

Yeah, he retired when the Raptors played Houston.

[uj4l]

oh. is his number gonna be hung

[renuszm]

It will be eventually, not yet though.

[lal4l]

He will be replaced on the top 50 list

[renuszm]

Originally posted by lal4l
He will be replaced on the top 50 list
who? Hakeem?

[lal4l]

Originally posted by renuszm

who? Hakeem?

Yea he sux

[renuszm]

Originally posted by lal4l


Yea he sux If he sucked, he wouldnt of made this list, and he wouldnt be going to hall of fame. I dont think any of you know much about Hakeem.

[rockin500]

if hakeem sucks, then most of the other centers in the league when he was at his prime musta REALLY sucked. lol

[awefullspellare]

face it Hakeem would dominate the weaklings at cenyter nowadays when he was in his prime!!!!

[renuszm]

Originally posted by rockin500
if hakeem sucks, then most of the other centers in the league when he was at his prime musta REALLY sucked. lol
I think you said it best :D

[uj4l]

that is why oneal is winning and no my brother didnt pick him!

[renuszm]

Originally posted by uj4l
that is why oneal is winning and no my brother didnt pick him! I highly doubt that milkey and bd will vote for Shaq when they read this.

[uj4l]

where did BD go? i forgot? did he go on vacation?

[renuszm]

Originally posted by uj4l
where did BD go? i forgot? did he go on vacation?
I dunno, he's kinda busy I guess.

[uj4l]

oh yeah. thats what he said before when he said he cant be in the fantasy league

[lal4l]

Hakeem had very lil good yrs man

[renuszm]

Originally posted by lal4l
Hakeem had very lil good yrs man then you know little/nothing about Hakeem. Your judging him by one bad year- his last in Toronto.
Look at his numbers:
http://www.nba.com/playerfile/hakeem_olajuwon/
He had 13 years of over 20 ppg. 12 years of over 10 rebounds per game. 2 Years of over 4 blocks per game. Yeah, that's lil yrs right there.

[uj4l]

shaq 11 years of 20 ppg, 11 years of rpg, 2 years 3 bpg and his career isnt over. and when i said "shaq 11 years of 20 ppg, 11 years of rpg" he has only been in the nba for 11 years

[renuszm]

I realize that, and Hakeem's thirteen 20 ppg season's came in his first 13 season, so I guess we should wait another 3 years before this poll goes through :clap2:

[uj4l]

lets just weait an see how long shaq will last

[renuszm]

Yeah, I'll be outta here faster.

[uj4l]

:lol:lol

[milky_way]

lol, this thread has been very amusing :clap2:

lal, do you know who Hakeem is? Maybe you know him as Akeem or something. Hakeem Olajuwan is one of the all-time greats, and had far more than just a "lil good years." He was as great as David Robinson and Patrick Ewing, both of whom made the 50-greatest players list and are first-ballot Hall-of-Famers, and arguably better. Unfortunately, like Ewing, his career stats are tainted with the low later years of thier career, when they were backup players at best.

BUT, i still haven't voted yet. Even though i am as Anti-Lakers as anyone, i have to admit that Shaq does have a legimate claim as the best Post-1980s center.

BTW, why the hell is Yao Ming on the poll? :umm is that supposed to be a joke or something?

[uj4l]

man i was just kiddin

[milky_way]

tough decision since i was still a confused grammar school student during Hakeem's best years, but i still voted for him. he's arguably the most complete center ever, and he played and succeeded against some of the greatest centers ever (Ewing, Robinson, Shaq) and BEAT them. Although Shaq is the most dominant center (and player for that matter) of today, and has been nearly unstoppable in the past three years, he has against him the fact that his best and most dominating years were years where there were really no other decent, let alone great, centers in the league. Also, Shaq doesn't seem to have the dedication that Hakeem had. Sometimes it seems as though Shaq plays hard only when he wants to (in simpler terms, he's lazy). Look at the situation in LA right now: Shaq spent his offseason thinking of clever degrading one-liners to deliver to the Kings instead of working out and dealing with his toe. look at the effect it has had on the Lakers.

[lal4l]

Pretty true milkey but I still think Shaq is better:biggrinpa

[renuszm]

Where is bd?

[milky_way]

yeah where is he? i'm surprised he hasn't pounced on that Jordan thread yet :D :devilsmok

[uj4l]

we will need to do a tiebreaker