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PopTop
02-11-2003, 01:52 PM
Gots to be lots of room for disagreement with this list :cool:

_1. Randy Johnson
_2. Pedro Martinez
_3. Barry Zito
_4. Curt Schilling
_5. Roy Oswalt
_6. Tim Hudson
_7. Greg Maddux
_8. Kerry Wood
_9. Derek Lowe
10. Roy Halladay
11. Mike Mussina
12. Mark Buehrle
13. Matt Morris
14. Wade Miller
15. Bartolo Colon
16. Jarrod Washburn
17. Mark Mulder
18. Randy Wolf
19. Mark Prior
20. Kevin Millwood
21. Roger Clemens
22. Tom Glavine
23. Jason Schmidt
24. David Wells
25. Andy Pettitte
26. A.J. Burnett
27. Joel Pineiro
28. Matt Clement
29. Al Leiter
30. Rick Reed
31. Ramon Ortiz
32. Rodrigo Lopez
33. Odalis Perez
34. John Lackey
35. Woody Williams
36. Vicente Padilla
37. Kaz Ishii
38. Tim Wakefield
39. Tomo Ohka
40. Hideo Nomo
41. Paul Byrd
42. Russ Ortiz
43. Freddy Garcia
44. Chan Ho Park
45. Eric Milton
46. Corey Lidle
47. Jamie Moyer
48. Javier Vazquez
49. Kevin Brown
50. Kurt Ainsworth

And the rest (in no particular order):
Kris Benson ... Brian Lawrence ... Pedro Astacio ... Brett Tomko ... Brad Radke ... Kirk Rueter ... Steve Trachsel ... Kip Wells ... Jeff Weaver/Jose Contreras ... Kevin Appier ... John Burkett ... Omar Daal ... Danny Graves ... Mike Hampton ... Elmer Dessens ... Josh Beckett ... Ryan Dempster ... Josh Fogg ... Livan & Orlando Hernandez ... Ted Lilly ... Jason Jennings ... Jimmy Haynes ... Damian Moss/Jason Marquis ... Ben Sheets ... Shane Reynolds/Jeriome Robertson/Brian Moehler/Pete Munro ... Oliver Perez ... Sydney Ponson ... Jason Simontacchi ... Kenny Rogers ... C.C. Sabathia ... Ismael Valdes ... Garret Stephenson

SlushyBOB
02-11-2003, 05:33 PM
I agree with what you say about disagreements. I see a number that I wouldn't agree with personally. You're still my hero, but I still have to disagree with some. :D

I would rank Javier Vasquez higher than 48.
Mulder higher than 17.
Woody Williams lower than 35.
Brian Lawrence should be in the top 50.
Russ Ortiz and Paul Byrd a little higher...
David Wells lower

but those are just my thoughts...there are plenty of thoughts out there I'm just sharing mine!

Baseball Guru
02-11-2003, 05:39 PM
Agreed on Lawrence being top 50....

I think Washburn should be higher......

I also think the move to Atlanta will help Hapmton significally to a top 50 pitcher....

I also think Freddie Garcia should be ranked higher....

I'm also not so sure about Brown being a top 50 pitcher any longer....He just cant stay healthy and looked HORRIBLE last year in the games he was in....He'll be 38 this March and I think he's done....JMO

Again, these are just my opinions...I have no idea if I'm even close to being right:D

jdog402001
02-11-2003, 09:38 PM
Rick Reed....Does he still play?hahah there is a diffinite disagreement there...Drop him... I think Lawerence should be in top 30....All this guy does is come in under the radar because of where he pitches...In 3 years as a starter he has not had a ERA over 3.6 or a WHIP above 1.36...Pretty consistent...grab him in the middle rounds and reap the benefits....Hard to beleive he never made the top 50.....I also like Benson,Oliver Perez and Beckett...Let the disagreements begin

Baseball Guru
02-11-2003, 09:57 PM
Not sure about top 30 but top 50 definitely with Reed....You do realize he was 15-7 last season and had a 3.78 ERA right??
Best among Twins starters.....His WHIP was a pretty good 1.16 which was like 8th in the league.....
The only negative about him is his age....

jdog402001
02-12-2003, 01:50 AM
Wow...I had no idea...shows what I know about the AL!! Not bad ...But I am always leary of guys who age....unless there names are Randy or Roger