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Tigers#1
03-01-2003, 09:03 PM
Ilitch: Tigers' woes don't sit well

February 28, 2003

LAKELAND, Fla. -- Detroit Tigers owner Mike Ilitch has plenty of questions to answer this spring.

Will this be a 10th consecutive losing season for his team? When will he increase the club's modest payroll of about $56 million? How will bringing in the left-field fences make Comerica Park better?

As Ilitch, who also owns the Detroit Red Wings, enters his 10th season as Tigers owner he shares some of the same frustrations as Detroit fans.

"It hurts from a standpoint that the Detroit Tigers were always No. 1 in our city," Ilitch said Friday just before a spring training game against Los Angeles was rained out. "You used to just open the gates and people would come in. We had great crowds and good teams.

"I'm not happy right now. But I am encouraged with some of the people we're bringing in."

Ilitch feels comfortable with first-year manager Alan Trammell, who helped the team win its fourth World Series in 1984, and president Dave Dombrowski.

"This is the first time I've felt like I've got a lot of people on my side," Ilitch said.

Ilitch gave approval to bring in the left-field fences at Comerica Park this offseason -- even though he said, "I don't know if it's going to make it a better place."

Despite the fact that Ilitch contributed more than 60 percent of the financing toward the $300 million Comerica Park three years ago, he admitted he made a mistake.

"It's my fault, perhaps, that I didn't look at the diagram of the field," Ilitch said. "I was taking on all the details of that entire stadium, and all the other thousands of details in other areas. And I made an assumption that's the way it would be handled.

"It's too bad it didn't end up that way. With all the criticism and all the well-hit balls into death valley area out there, we owed it to the righthanded hitters to bring it in."

Ilitch said he will spend more money on the Tigers -- down the road.

"I'll do my part when I see things coming together," he said.

Ilitch defended his leadership by pointing to the success of the defending Stanley Cup champion Red Wings.

"I understand how to win. I know what it takes to win," he said. "It's no different in any other sport."

Former Tigers great Al Kaline, a special assistant to Dombrowski, bristled when asked about the criticism often directed toward Ilitch.

"They should never question Mike Ilitch because he's a winner," Kaline said. "He doesn't like to lose. It's harder to win in baseball than it is in hockey. For anybody to question that Ilitch doesn't want to win is ridiculous. He's not out front in the media like a lot of owners are, but believe me, he wants to win."

Calder
03-02-2003, 01:17 AM
Originally posted by Tigers#1
Ilitch: Tigers' woes don't sit well

"I'm not happy right now."

Ilitch said he will spend more money on the Tigers -- down the road.

"I'll do my part when I see things coming together," he said.

I've heard this before. You can only cry wolf so many times. :hmm:

Trots
03-02-2003, 04:10 PM
My sentiments exactly, Calder.

boudz
03-02-2003, 05:55 PM
He needs to do his part to turn it around, not to help when it gets better because without him spending money on the Tigers, it never will turn around....

GergPeabs
03-03-2003, 12:15 AM
What came first the chicken or the egg? We'll never know
What came first The Tigers with a .500 record or Illitch spending money on them? We'll never know.

Calder
03-03-2003, 12:15 AM
Yeah, I'm not one who enjoys being negative, but it does get old when you see the guy treating this team like a secondary hobby. He's got the Wings. Anything that happens with the Tigers is just gravy in his mind apparently, no matter how much he tries to convince us otherwise.

Trots
03-03-2003, 08:43 PM
I don't really enjoy bashing Mr. I, either. However, when it comes to the direction of this baseball team, I think there is plenty of evidence of pointing the finger at Ilitch.

The ballpark fiasco. "I'll spend money when the new park opens" was the mantra. That rapidly became "I didn't know how deep the OF walls were going to be". "I didn't know how much tickets were going to cost". "I won with the Wings". The whispers out of Comerica Park blame it all on John McHale. Come on.

The continous management shuffle. Remember when his kids took over? That went smoothly. How about the executive committee? That worked real well, too. How many presidents, general managers, field managers and coaches have passed through under his watch? So everyone around him is incomptent, but not him?

The change of direction(s). Let Travis Fryman go, he costs too much. Sign Dean Palmer to big contract. Plan to build around the kids, but skip drafting J.D. Drew (amongst others) because they cost too much, then trade a bunch of homegrown kids off to Texas to get Gonzalez. Offer Juan Gone more money than any player ever, cry poverty and withdrawal from free agency two months later. Plan another youth movement, slash minor league instructors, cut development expenses all the way down to baseballs. That's all got to be Randy Smith's idea, right?

Don't think I doubt, for even a second, Mr. I's desire to win. I'm sure he wants to Tigers to do well. We all do. The difference is, he is in a position to do something about it. I am confident the guy is simply in over his head here and would like a way to bow out with some measure of respect. As the team stands today, he can't do that.

I'm sure some of the previous administrators bear a portion of the blame, but only one person has been in a position of power during the entire decline of the franchise. When it comes to the Tigers, it's time for him to stop pointing his finger down at Joe Louis Arena and start pointing his finger at the guy in the mirror.

Tigers#1
03-03-2003, 09:20 PM
But Mike still isn't the one, who had many poor drafts, made bad trade after bad trade, or tell the players to not give a damn about playing, or smoke weed on an airplaine. He's put up quality money to resign every player who's been in this organization, he went out and got the best GM available, and got the best managers the GM's have wanted to get.

Trots
03-03-2003, 10:04 PM
How much better would their drafts had been, especially in the first round, if Ilitch didn't shy away from the prospects asking for big money?

How many of the trades, Juan as example number one, or even free agent signings (Higgy falls in here) were at the urging of the owner?

You can't bash Smith, McHale and Mr. I's other subordinates as the root of the problem, especially when the problems were in place when they arrived and exist after their departure.

I do give Mr. I credit for signing Higgy, Easley, Clark, Palmer and others, it just hasn't worked out. However, the buck has to stop at Ilitch's desk. It's called responsibility. It's something Mr. I. seems to be willing to take plenty of when it happens down the street.

Hey, it's not like I want him to go free agent shopping every off-season, or even have the highest payroll, just get into the game and stop leading us around by the nose. I'm tired of the rhetoric. We ALL want a better baseball team.

In the end, as Gerg wisely points out, it's a chicken and egg type scenario.

Tigers#1
03-03-2003, 10:42 PM
Really, the only draft decision they made, that was based on signability, was Matt Anderson, instead of Drew. But, if they had the money to pay Drew(which even the Phillies couldn't do), they wouldn't of taken him, they would of taken Ryan Anderson, and he hasn't done squat yet in the majors.

Illitch said, that once the Tigers produce some players, and start winning, he'd dish out the money for this team to be competitive. Those players never arrived, but he still did put the money out there, to sign players, such as Dean Palmer, Todd Stottlemyre, and Juan Gonzalez.

I do think Illitch has made mistakes, but i also think he is trying to fix them. He wants to actually "build" a team, like he did the Red Wings, but he first needs someone to produce players. Thats why he went out and got a very good GM in Dombrowski. If they start producing players, and Illitch doesn't put the money up to resign them, then i'll start to agree with you, and everyone else. I just think that too much blame gets put on his shoulders.