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Baseball Guru
04-22-2003, 11:29 AM
April 22, 2003
NEW YORK (AP) -- Baseball players are still using muscle-building drugs and amphetamines despite the sport's new steroid-testing plan, The New York Times reported in Tuesday's editions.

Players have switched from using steroids to drugs like human growth hormone, The Times reported, citing interviews with 40 current or former players, baseball executives and medical officials.

Some players told the newspaper that the union is jeopardizing the health of its members by not allowing mandatory testing of certain drugs.

This spring, 16 members of the Chicago White Sox were ready to refuse a drug test so they could be counted as testing positive for steroids. Their idea was to send a message that more extensive monitoring is needed.

Players on an unidentified National League team also considered refusing to take the test, The Times reported.

Former San Diego Padres All-Star Tony Gwynn said that more attention needs to be focused on amphetamines. He estimates that 50 percent of position players use ``greenies'' routinely.

``People might think there is a steroid problem in baseball, but it's nowhere near the other problem; the other, it's a rampant problem,'' Gwynn told the paper. ``Guys feel like steroids are cheating and greenies aren't.

``Sooner or later, it's going to get out that there's a greenie problem, and it's a huge one,'' Gwynn said. ``Guys feel like they need an edge. It didn't seem like there was a lot of it earlier in my career, but I know that coming down to the end of my career, it was rampant on my club.''

Last year, former players Jose Canseco and Ken Caminiti also made claims of widespread steroid use in baseball.

New York Mets pitcher Tom Glavine, the NL player rep to the union, called Gwynn's comments ``irresponsible.''

``I have a problem with all these guys that aren't playing anymore now coming out and saying that all these problems exist,'' Glavine told the paper. ``If the problems were there and they were so prevalent, how come nobody said anything when they were playing?

``Is there stuff going on? Sure,'' Glavine said. ``Is it 50 percent? I don't think so.''

There is no testing for amphetamines in the labor agreement reached between players and owners last summer.

The policy calls for all players to be tested for steroids once during the 2003 season, and for 240 players to be tested at random again. If more than 5 percent test positive, a second step will go into effect in 2004, in which players could be subject to penalties for testing positive. In 2003, however, players who test positive for steroids would not be penalized -- or even identified.

It is a weak drug policy when compared with the NFL, NCAA and International Olympic Committee, all of which test for more than just steroids and have more stringent penalties.


http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/news?slug=ap-drugs&prov=ap&type=lgns

rockin500
04-22-2003, 03:06 PM
Gwynn is irresponsible? :hmm: hmmmm, i think glavine is the irresponsible one here.

and its not surprising about this article.

sheffield_rocks
04-23-2003, 01:13 AM
Gwynn may be fat, slow, old, and almost powerless but he's not irresponsible :hmm:

Baseball Guru
04-23-2003, 04:30 PM
April 22, 2003

CHICAGO (AP) -- If amphetamine use was ``rampant'' on the San Diego Padres as Tony Gwynn claims, manager Bruce Bochy and general manager Kevin Towers never saw any evidence of it.

``If we knew there was a problem, we would have taken care of it,'' Towers said Tuesday before the Padres played the Chicago Cubs. ``It's not something Bruce or I or the organization turned our head on.''

In an article published in Tuesday's editions of The New York Times, Gwynn said amphetamines are an even bigger problem than steroids. The former All-Star estimated that 50 percent of position players use amphetamines, and said use is growing.


``Guys feel like they need an edge,'' Gwynn said. ``It didn't seem like there was a lot of it earlier in my career, but I know that coming down to the end of my career, it was rampant on my club.''

Asked if he knew of any of his players who'd used amphetamines, Bochy flatly said, ``No.'' And if Gwynn knew of any, Bochy and Towers both said they wished he'd come to them.

``No way would we ever condone it, and no, I was not aware of it,'' Bochy said. ``We'd like to think we do everything possible to educate and stay drug-free within this organization.''

Under the new collective bargaining agreement, all players on 40-man rosters are given two announced tests for illegal steroids as part of a survey. If more than 5 percent test positive for steroids, ``program'' testing starts the following year and continues until less than 2.5 percent test positive in two consecutive years combined.

But other illegal drugs, such as amphetamines, are not covered under the drug testing policy.

``I've always felt we've been very pro-active in implementing drug testing at the minor league level,'' Towers said. ``The tough thing is at the major league level, ... we're not able to test for other drugs.

``If we ever saw a player openly taking amphetamines, we'd certainly take care of the problem,'' Towers added. ``In my seven years here, I've never seen that happen.''

SlushyBOB
04-23-2003, 04:39 PM
Originally posted by Baseball Guru
April 22, 2003

CHICAGO (AP) -- If amphetamine use was ``rampant'' on the San Diego Padres as Tony Gwynn claims, manager Bruce Bochy and general manager Kevin Towers never saw any evidence of it.

``If we knew there was a problem, we would have taken care of it,'' Towers said Tuesday before the Padres played the Chicago Cubs. ``It's not something Bruce or I or the organization turned our head on.''

In an article published in Tuesday's editions of The New York Times, Gwynn said amphetamines are an even bigger problem than steroids. The former All-Star estimated that 50 percent of position players use amphetamines, and said use is growing.


``Guys feel like they need an edge,'' Gwynn said. ``It didn't seem like there was a lot of it earlier in my career, but I know that coming down to the end of my career, it was rampant on my club.''

Asked if he knew of any of his players who'd used amphetamines, Bochy flatly said, ``No.'' And if Gwynn knew of any, Bochy and Towers both said they wished he'd come to them.

``No way would we ever condone it, and no, I was not aware of it,'' Bochy said. ``We'd like to think we do everything possible to educate and stay drug-free within this organization.''

Under the new collective bargaining agreement, all players on 40-man rosters are given two announced tests for illegal steroids as part of a survey. If more than 5 percent test positive for steroids, ``program'' testing starts the following year and continues until less than 2.5 percent test positive in two consecutive years combined.

But other illegal drugs, such as amphetamines, are not covered under the drug testing policy.

``I've always felt we've been very pro-active in implementing drug testing at the minor league level,'' Towers said. ``The tough thing is at the major league level, ... we're not able to test for other drugs.

``If we ever saw a player openly taking amphetamines, we'd certainly take care of the problem,'' Towers added. ``In my seven years here, I've never seen that happen.''


I think it's funny that Towers would say he never saw it happen. I never realized the GM of a team had his office in the locker room or showered with the players!

pinstripes
04-24-2003, 07:45 AM
Originally posted by sheffield_rocks
Gwynn may be fat, slow, old, and almost powerless but he's not irresponsible :hmm:

No, that is Kirby Puckett who is fat, slow, old, almost powerless AND irresponsible! :D