Giles Headed to Yankees For Weaver and Others?

[3-2 Changeup]

From CBS Sportline Yankee Report:


New York's Daily News reported the Yankees were actively scouring the trade market for help, but GM Brian Cashman said he "wants to be certain that we make the right move." The newspaper said owner George Steinbrenner was pushing for a bigger deal, so names such as Brian Giles or Carlos Beltran could be targets. The Newark Star-Ledger reported the Yankees had rekindled talks with the Pirates about outfielder Kenny Lofton, and had spoken about trying to talk Pittsburgh into trading Giles, even if they would have to include starting pitcher Jeff Weaver in the deal. The newspaper said Steinbrenner wants to consider moving any player who isn't nailed down by a no-trade clause -- that included Weaver, right fielder Raul Mondesi and even third baseman Robin Ventura.

[imgreat95]

The day that ANY deal such as that happens, is the day which I lose total faith in the Pittsburgh Pirates.

[00_Agent]

Why the hell would we trade for Weaver? I know our starters haven't been in the groove like they were early, but between what we already got and what we have in the minors that is definitely not a concern.

What we need are position players. I think that the NY news is getting worse and worse. Everything that comes out of that city is B.S. anymore.

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[GiveHyzduashot]

I don't think Weaver is as bad as he's been with the NYYs ... but, I don't quite think he'll be the ace people thought be would be when he was with the Tigers. He just hasn't grown up yet.

I can almost guarantee Giles doesn't go to the Yankees ... their only real talent won't be traded for Giles.

[sil340]

There is no way that the Pirates can afford to trade Giles. Nobody is going to offer the bucs what would be needed to get giles. Besides, why would we want weaver anyway, especially since he got shelled today by the Devil Rays (the pitching staff can already do that).

[PissedPrincess]

Goddamn it!:angry:

WEAVER SUCKS! Don't take Yankee trash!

[Greymire]

First, let me say that a trade for Weaver could only be good if we had another top name in there and I do nto see the Yankees having what we need to offer for Giles. That being said, I disagree that no one could offer something that we could take for Giles. I think DL has said iot all before, that it would take a ton, but if it were done, I think it would be a blockbuster that would help us. Does anyone have that? Most likely not, but in a desperation pennant run, anything is possible. I think a more likely scenario would be a Lofton trade for someone. While I hate to see Kenny go right now, it would be understandable.

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Minnesota certainly has the position players to get the deal done with Cuddyer, Restovich, Mohr and Mourneau making the move from AAA to the bigs in the last year or two and more talent at AAA yet. There have to be other clubs.

[PissedPrincess]

Here in Boston, they're saying this deal is imminent.:angry:

[GiveHyzduashot]

And don't forget about Kielty either, 3-2. Or Jacque Jones for that matter, who I feel the Twins would part with since he's approaching arbitration and, like you said, they're loaded with talent.

Saw on ESPN Insider (don't have it; just saw the headline) that the Pirates/Yankees are discussing it. I'm saying it doesn't happen, unless the NYYs want to throw in Nick Johnson, Juan Rivera, and that Claussen pitcher. But I saw on ESPN.com in Stark's rumblings that Claussen is "untouchable." That's the kind of thing that irks me ... the Yankees want one of the best outfielders in the game, but don't want to part with their best, and only, pitching prospect.

If this deal happens, KM should have DL's head on a platter.

[PissedPrincess]

Here, they're saying the Yanks are gonna take Benson and Giles for Weaver.:angry:

They said Pirates will do it to dump salary.:angry:

[GiveHyzduashot]

I've heard Benson's name being mentioned too. I will bet my life that Benson isn't traded to the Yankees along with Giles for just Weaver.

I've heard Benson and Giles for Johnson, Rivera, and Weaver. Throw in Claussen and pick up some of Weaver's absurd $9 million salary in a year or two ... and maybe I do it.

[Greymire]

I do not get the fascination with us getting Nick Johnson. We have Simon, Rivera and Walter Young in waiting..and Stairs can play first. While Nick Johnson coul dbecome a star, he is hurt almost as often as Ron Wright so far. It just does not seem like a safe move. And for Weaver? I like Weaver. I think he would be ok, but those two in a deal does not thrill me. Especially for Giles and Benson.

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Weaver, Rivera, Claussen, Mike Thurman and Johnson for Giles and Benson? The truth is, Benson and Weaver are an even wash at this point, Claussen and Thurman make next year's team in the pen, and no way that Rivera and Johnson combined reach average Giles stats. I still feel that the Yankees are not a good match for the Bucs.

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Judging from what I've read this morning at various sites it sounds like a Weaver and Rivera for Benson deal is most likely. The Yankees would love to include Mondesi while the Bucs would like to offload some more salary to position themselves to resign some of their own FA according to the reports. This may be a crazy idea, but I wonder if they could include KY for Mondesi?

[Greymire]

The *ONLY* way this could happen would be if the Yankees would eat Jeffs salary. Weaver has never had a winning season (I will give him that most of his career has been with bad Detroit teams), but his career era is well over 4 and opponents hit around .270 against him. Not glowing stats if you are giving up a potential ace (though Kris has yet to prove that as well). I like Weaver in that he has grat stuff, but like Benson, he has never fully put it together. Rivera also does not have glowing stats in the big leaugues yet (he hasnt played a ton yet either). I think Weaver is only 27 or 28 and Rivera around 25 (I am guessing on these..I didnt look it up) so the age is ok, but I still am not real sure on this. It must save money or at least even out if this is done. If it does, then we are basically getting a 2 for 1 prospect exchange (yes I feel all three are still that).

[Steffo]

Jeff Weaver? Y'mean the guy who's been performing so terribly that even I could be doing better? Who in the worlds would trade a superstar amazing player for HIM? That suck-@$$ freak who just gets paid a bunch for nothing? If the Pirates made this trad reality they would officially have the worst GM EVER.

[Greymire]

If you are talking Giles, then I agree, but Benson hardly fits the superstar role. He has not pitched any better than Weaver and is close in age. We would basically be trading one under achiever for another (granted Benson is still a year removed from surgery).
I do not know much about Rivera, but like 3-2 mentioned in his posts, Benson and Weaver are about even, so we get Rivera in the deal as well.

[Steffo]

I'm talking Giles.