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Trots
07-06-2003, 05:18 PM
Here is today's piece from Lynn Henning. I'm not exactly sure I like the thought of trading away Maroth, but I guess I could accept such a move if the right players came back this way. Henning mentions throwing in Walker, I'd also toss in Pena.

Firstbase can be played by Witt, Young, Halter or Munson. It also gives them more flexibility in shopping for free agents this off-season. Depending on who they would move, the Tigs could buy an OF, a 3B or a 1B. Of course, they need to buy several players, but that's a different thought.

Dombrowski cannot afford to recoup some A level prospects. Maroth will have to bring higher potential kids in return. Someone along the lines of Tracy (AZ), Morneau (MIN), Teixiera (TX-why can I not spell his name right?), or maybe Sanchez (BOS). Rule V caliber players a going to bring a hailstorm of criticism. They need some new blood capable of producing right now or, the latest, next season.

Anyway, here's is Henning's column courtesy of the Detroit News, 7/6/03:

Trades and times: On the one-year anniversary of Jeff Weaver going to the Yankees, via the Athletics, the terrible Tigers again need to trade a pitcher or two, this time for some batting-order protein.

It would not be surprising to see a major deal wrapped up before the July 31 deadline.

And neither would it be a shock if whatever happens features Mike Maroth.

He can be a quick fix for a contending club itching for another starter. Maroth is effective, he is inexpensive (salary: $309,000), he is left-handed and he stands the best chance of bringing to the Tigers, at the most affordable price, a hitter or two for an emaciated lineup.

It might not stop there. The Tigers have a single asset in their organization: pitching. Adding good arms is as necessary for a bad team (Texas) looking to 2004 as it is for a contender (Toronto, Boston, Minnesota, St. Louis, etc.) that wants to stick in the playoff chase.

It figures that something will happen. This month.

"Basically, beginning this week -- the last five days -- there's been a different tone," Dave Dombrowski, the Tigers' general manager, said Thursday. "Phones have begun to ring. And I've called a few clubs myself.

"A lot of people have specifically called about a lot of our young pitching. They've all mentioned that pitching is very deep in this organization."

Deep enough, anyway, to permit trading someone such as Maroth.

The Tigers already are pondering a possible starting rotation in 2004: Jeremy Bonderman, Matt Roney, Wilfredo Ledezma, Nate Cornejo, and maybe Rob Henkel, an impressive left-hander at Double-A Erie who was part of last winter's Mark Redman trade.

If Maroth still is in Detroit, he, of course, is part of the mix. But the Tigers simply look at reality and figure they can compensate for the loss of a starter such as Maroth, who is not a power pitcher.

He is a craftsman hurler and absolute clubhouse Boy Scout who can fill a third or fourth spot in a good club's rotation.

What the Tigers might get for Maroth -- or for a package involving, say, Jamie Walker -- is anyone's guess. But as long as the Tigers aren't asking a club to take on heavy payroll (Walker, for example, makes $360,000), they can get a catcher, outfielder, up-the-middle infielder or multiple prospects, as they try to put some batters and position talent into a hitting-starved organization.

Tigers pitching, a long-range look: Unless something bizarre occurs between now and Sept. 28, the Tigers will parlay their worst record in baseball into the second pick in next June's amateur draft.

We already can hear the groans, but it won't surprise if the Tigers take a pitcher with that first selection. Pitching appears overwhelmingly to be the strength of 2004's draft crop -- much more so than position players.

The Tigers believe, correctly it would seem, that you take the best player possible and either make him a contributor to your own club or trade him for what you need. Weaver last year, maybe Maroth and others this year -- it can be a good strategy.

Shane Loux is having a terrific season at Toledo and probably will be pitching in Detroit soon. Henkel will be working at Comerica Park in September en route to what could be a regular job with the Tigers next season.

Kyle Sleeth, the Tigers' first-round pick last month, probably will sign this summer and be ready by 2005. West Michigan, the Class A stop where some of the Tigers' lone position prospects seem to be blooming, also is home to three more pitchers clubs other than the Tigers have been noticing: Joel Zumaya, Jon Connolly and Humberto Sanchez.

If the Tigers have lucked out on a few arms along the way, that's fair. Losing three first-round draft choices (Matt Wheatland, Kenny Baugh and Matt Anderson) to arm injuries of varying degrees of severity means this club deserved a break.

The free-agent forecast for Detroit: Partly cloudy for now, clearing by autumn. Alan Trammell, the Tigers' manager, implied last weekend that his team could be adding a couple of hitters this off-season, presumably through free agency.

Dombrowski was careful last week when asked if the Tigers would be shopping.

"It's much too early for me to make that kind of statement," he said. "Those are the types of decisions you make at the end of the season."

The Tigers' commitment to guaranteed contracts takes a dive after this season -- from about $58 million to a little less than $40 million. It doesn't mean the Tigers can suddenly bid for Vladimir Guerrero or Miguel Tejada, who aren't going to be enthused about Detroit at any price.

But it does allow a team that absolutely must better its offense to make a couple of modest additions that could help patch a lineup. A free-agent bat or two and a solid trade would help fix a problem or two and guard against next season becoming another embarrassment.

Buy this book: A nice choice if this current club makes you pine for the Tigers' baseball past is "The Detroit Tigers Encyclopedia," written by Dan Ewald and Jim Hawkins. It has all the stuff you would care to read about the Tigers' past 100 years of baseball, and avoids irrelevancies.

Nicely arranged, well-written, absorbing--it's worth it at $39.95.

You can reach Lynn Henning at (313) 222-2472 or lhenning@detnews.com.

~*TiGeRs f@N*~
07-06-2003, 05:32 PM
I don't want Maroth to go!

I know I know, I don't want anyone to go :D

but seriously, he's a good pitcher and is gonna come in handy

Trots
07-06-2003, 05:36 PM
You'll be just as attached to the next guy, Jen. I'd hate to see Maroth go, but if they actually improve the team, I would understand.

~*TiGeRs f@N*~
07-06-2003, 05:40 PM
Originally posted by Trots
You'll be just as attached to the next guy, Jen.

so what are ya saying? ;) :D

Baseball Guru
07-06-2003, 05:47 PM
Originally posted by ~*TiGeRs f@N*~
so what are ya saying? ;) :D

Remember, he's met you;)

Trots
07-06-2003, 05:56 PM
What I am saying, my friend, is that if the guy wears an Olde English D, you like him. You don't want him to leave. You think he's doing a great job. That's what makes you the optimist that you are.

~*TiGeRs f@N*~
07-06-2003, 06:06 PM
well he dug himself outta that one! ;)


lol I was just kidden Brian

You are right though, no matter who he is, once he becomes a Tiger, no matter what, it's not long before he becomes one of my family. Funny thing though, is that I stick with them for the rest of thier career. I always cheer on the former Tigers

James, yes he has met me! Thats why he likes me!:eviltongu everyone who has met me just loves me! ;)

Tigers#1
07-06-2003, 10:10 PM
I don't know if they could get any of those players mentioned, but i'm not sure if i'd take the risk. We're starting to build a very nice pitching staff, with him in front as of now, he's cheap, he's young, he's left handed, and most importantly, he's had sucess as a Tiger, which is very rare for most players. Teixeira is really the only one of those three i'd take, because he's somewhat proven in the major league level, but then again, where would he play?

racosun
07-06-2003, 11:51 PM
Originally posted by Tigers#1
...but then again, where would he play?

Where does he want to play? From what I've seen on TV, heard on the radio, and watched at CoPa, nobody has a lock on any certain position on this club.

I was bummed when Weaver was traded. But I think that trade worked extremely well for us in the long run. Maroth could help us get to the next level too, whether he does it on the field or brings us a few much-needed bats.

PissedPrincess
07-07-2003, 12:52 PM
:angry:

Trots
07-07-2003, 10:37 PM
Teixeira can play anywhere he wants. He's better offensively than anyone on the team not named Young. 1B, 3B, DH, wherever. racosun is 100% correct. No one on this team has a spot guaranteed.

Yes, it's a risk to trade Maroth. Just as it's a risk to sign a Vlad Guerrero. It's also a risk to wait and hope the kids in the minors develop. You just don't know how players are going to progress, which ones are going to get hurt or if the kids will even make it to The Show. Everything has a degree of risk.

Blue56
07-10-2003, 07:39 PM
Detroit should keep there young players while they still last. maroth is an O.K pitcher. but if they get someone like contrearas, he would be there number ne pitcher. but anyways.

KEEP YOU"RE YOUNG players!!!!!

Trots
07-10-2003, 08:07 PM
How long do you wait to evaluate your young players' potential? What if they aren't going to very good? What if another team is offering you players that are better than the young players you have?

The Tigers have been down this road before. They thought Clark, Higginson, Easley and company were the core of the future. Now, Clark is a part-timer in NY, Higgy is horribly overpaid and had only a few good seasons and Easley is out of baseball completely.

It's not just a matter of having young players. It's a question of having lots of young potential stars to build teams around. The question is are any of these Tigers that good?

Btw, welcome to the Tigers forum, Blue56.

Calder
07-11-2003, 12:53 AM
Originally posted by Trots
I'm not exactly sure I like the thought of trading away Maroth, but I guess I could accept such a move if the right players came back this way."

Unfortunatey, this has been the trend since Dombrowski got here, trade away the good players and HOPE you get some prospects that will stick, and I haven't seen much in that regard. Trading Weaver was a huge gamble, and though I like Pena and German, I still wonder if it was a good move. I know Weaver is struggling in New York, but key word there is NEW YORK. I wonder if he pitched in a place like Texas or Milwaukee if he wouldn't have more success. I will say this for Dombrowski, he's STILL having to deal with Randy Smith's leftovers, and it's really hampered him on what he can do.

Trots
07-12-2003, 04:09 PM
I wonder how good our "good" players were/are? As horrible as this season has been, this team filled with all of these "good" players won a dazzling fifty-five games a year ago.

As much as we may like them, Fick, Acevedo, Easley, Simon, Rivera, et al, are not key components. They are nice platoon players, if in the right enviroment. (Fick is a great example.) The team's starting catcher last year, Rivera, is now on this third club in twelve months. Acevedo just got employed again (on his third team, too) and Easley remains out of work (after not sticking in TB while the Tigers paid him).

Calder, your Weaver comments would be a prime example. The guy never quite got over the hump here and everyone said, "If he was on a good team, he would win 20 games". Well, friends, Weave's on a darn good team and his record is just has bad as it was here. Perhaps, worse.

Maybe, just maybe, he is as good as his record has indicated. He may just develop late, as everyone thinks he has potential, but I think it's a stretch to assume he would be better in TX or Milwaukee (which are both only a couple of hitters better than the Tigs). He could end up another guy with tons of potential that just never figures it out.

PissedPrincess
07-12-2003, 05:10 PM
Another OUTSTANDING performance from Maroth last night.

Please keep him. Dude is a STUD.:cool:

~*TiGeRs f@N*~
07-12-2003, 05:12 PM
you betcha Jac! :lust:

Trots
07-12-2003, 05:14 PM
Maroth is probably my second favorite Tiger, so I would hate to see him leave, but it all depends on what the Tigers get offered. They need hitting so badly that they may have to sacrifice a pitcher or two. Dombrowski also doesn't love the soft tossers. That increases the odds of his departure.

Maybe the Sox will get him, pp?

PissedPrincess
07-12-2003, 05:17 PM
I'd love that Trots! We have the offense to give too!

But, :sigh: If Steinbrenner thought we'd get him, he'd get him first.:(

Trots
07-13-2003, 12:41 AM
I'm not sure Georgie has the prospects Dombrowski is looking for. Sanchez and the minor league thirdbaseman, Youlikis (sp?), both would seem more likely than the NYY farmhands, imo.

PissedPrincess
07-13-2003, 12:57 AM
The Sox may part with Sanchez, but Kevin Youkilis is their prized prospect. Remember, Duquette is running things anymore.:D

Tigers#1
07-13-2003, 04:09 AM
Actually PP, BA has Youkliss as an "available prospect". Don't know if you care or not, but here it is:

Boston Red Sox

Available prospects: Kevin Youkilis, Freddy Sanchez, Jorge de la Rosa, Phil Dumatrait, Anastacio Martinez

Untouchable prospects: Kelly Shoppach

Analysis: The Red Sox will have to use money to keep up with the Yankees at the deadline, because they don't have the prospects to command frontline players. They specifically set money aside for this purpose, according to owner John Henry. That being said, they were able to use their minor league depth to bolster their roster by adding Cliff Floyd, Bobby Howry and Alan Embree last year. They are counting on Shoppach to become an everyday catcher in the big leagues, possibly as soon as 2004, but sources believe Youkilis could be available. The Red Sox are aware that Youkilis' value is as high as it ever will be, and scouts still question how much power he will hit for as a major league corner.

PissedPrincess
07-13-2003, 11:53 AM
Interesting Tiger Babe.:cool:

Odd. Theo did a story in the Globe today saying he would have to be overwhelmed to deal Kevin. :notme:

GM's.:hmm: Who can trust em?:D