Great job bullpen!

[milky_way]

Our postseason chances look bleak if this is how our bullpen is gonna perform under pressure :angry:

Can anyone other than Mo go ONE INNING without giving up a run??? :umm :angry:

Antonio Osuna is looking eerily like Juan Acevedo did before we released his ass...:eek:

Chris Hammond = blown game :angry:


I MISS STEVE KARSAY! :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry:

[milky_way]

BTW, the idiotic Mariners broadcasters were calling Jorge "George." :hmm:

It's HOR-HE. :angry: You'd think they'd do SOME research :hmm:

[Baseball Guru]

Bullpen just killed the Yanks in this series...

The ERA was almost 10:eek:

[Obri]

Man, we've missed Steve Karsay! I agree milky, our postseason ain't gonna last long with the bullpen performing the way it is. That is, if they get us there in the first place.:eek:

[Pettitte]

their pen scares me...Karsay is a huge missing ingredient

Pettitte

[milky_way]

When Gabe White gets back, he's gonna need to be a savior :ugh:.

We may only go as far as White will take us.

[milky_way]

I HATE THIS BULLPEN!!!

:Pissed: :Pissed: :Pissed: :Pissed:

SCREW THEM ALLLLLLLLLLLLLL!!!!
except for Mo

:angry: :angry: :angry: :angry:

DAMN YOU BULLPEN!!!

:Pissed: :Pissed:

[milky_way]

[Note in advance: I'm probably overreacting to the ABSOLUTLEY MISERABLE TORTURING LOSS THAT MAKES YOU WANT TO FREEZE A KIDS GOLDFISH, but still...]

We are DOOMED. There's no way in HELL we can make it through the playoffs with a bullpen as GOD AWFUL as this.

They shouldn't be called "firemen." They should be called GASOLINE :Pissed:

Last year there were FOUR guys in the pen that we could trust in ANY big situation. This year there is ONE, and we've been riding him so much that he's already suffering from the effects of overuse :ugh:

Osuna is turning into the second coming of Juan Acevedo; Chris Hammond has proved to be a fluke; Hitchcock is HITCHCOCK; Orosco is older than life itself. If Nellie doesn't settle down and if Gabe White isn't healthy and effective when he gets back we are DOOMED :cry:

Sad to think the most devestating blow of the season may have occured before it even started. I would trade in Sori for Steve Karsay right now :cry:


BTW, I finally remember why the name 'Bret Prinz' was so familiar; he's the dude that gave up the grand slam to Shane Spencer last year in the D-Backs interleague series :ugh:

[RamsAndAngels]

HAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAMUAHAHAS<MUAHAHFAMASDFA

DOWN with the yankeees!

[Obri]

Thanks for that R&A....:doublefin

Even Wells sucked last night! Hitchcock sucked again(can't believe he was considered for a starting spot at Spring Training), Hammond and Osuna have been just awful, and Orosco has had a couple of crappy outings recently. You can forget a World Championship with this year. Hell, we'll be lucky to make it by the ALDS! Remember when Rivera missed most of last season? We managed to cover, and the bullpen did an excellent job. Where did it all go wrong this year?

Mo, please, PLEASE, do not get injured!!!:help:

[Cyberlibrarian]

Milky, I gather you haven't heard this, but Torre refers to him as "George" too.

As for Karsay, he wasn't exactly rock-solid last year. He had his own problems. Like a lot of injuries. But, considering how badly some of the members of this year's pen have done, I guess Karsay does look better than he actually was.

[PissedPrincess]

Guys, please.:cry:

At least you'll be IN the playoffs.:cry:

[Liter22]

I knew the pen would be the downfall to the team this year. Oh an not to yank on you milkey Jorge is george in Spanish :)

[Blue56]

FINALS BOSTON-NEW YORK

[PissedPrincess]

Originally posted by Blue56
FINALS BOSTON-NEW YORK

Put down the crack pipe my friend. :PPsmilie:

[Blue56]

lol, i can happen.
but seriously. if we don't win this series then we can forget about it.

[Liter22]

Originally posted by Blue56
FINALS BOSTON-NEW YORK
It's 1986?!?!?! Buckner is back?!?! I MISSED MOOKIE!

[RamsAndAngels]

Originally posted by Blue56
FINALS BOSTON-NEW YORK

Originally posted by pedro's princess
Put down the crack pipe my friend. :PPsmilie:

Can I some of thaat?!?!?

[milky_way]

Originally posted by Obri
Even Wells sucked last night!
Boomer I don't blame. His back is going, he tried to gut it out :(

He should be going to the DL soon :cry:

[Cyberlibrarian]

And, since Steinbrenner forced Cashman to trade Claussen, putting Wells on the DL means that Hitchcock will return to the rotation.

I cannot think that this is a good thing.

[Obri]

Absolutely. We all agreed here that trading Claussen was a bad idea, and the idea of both Weaver and Hitchcock in the starting rotation?....well, frankly, it chills me:scared:

[Cyberlibrarian]

Originally posted by Obri
Absolutely. We all agreed here that trading Claussen was a bad idea, and the idea of both Weaver and Hitchcock in the starting rotation?....well, frankly, it chills me:scared: Even though I'm revelling in your agony ;), on a serious note, I really do understand your fears!

[milky_way]

Actually I was okay with the Boone trade.....

While Hitchcock starting is quite scary, an unproven rookie starting in the middle of a pennant race isn't very comforting either :eek:....

Claussen's gone, we must move on :)

[Cyberlibrarian]

But milky, it's not just this year. You're definitely losing Clemens, possibly losing both Pettitte and Wells. No one with a brain will take Weaver off your hands. You need Claussen for next year. You didn't have a crying need for Boone. There would have been other FA third basemen available this winter.

But trading their best prospect (the only one left, BTW) for a third baseman who's never hit very well outside of hitter's parks is very short-sighted IMO. He's right-handed, and Yankee Stadium is not quite as friendly to righties as it is to lefties.

[milky_way]

Let me first say that I didn't love the trade by any means; I absolutely hated giving up Robin and I was one of those who pushed for keeping Claussen when his name was thrown around in trade rumors earlier in the season. When this trade went through, I wanted our front office to be hit by a truck. Then I wanted the truck to reverse and hit them again.

But since then I've come to understand the trade more, and I'm okay with it now.

Third base was a silent weakness. No one really acknowledged the early death of Robin's bat this year (if it was ever alive) because his defense and leadership supposedly made up for it. I for one overlooked his miserable sub-.200 BA with RISP and his unusual knack for GIDPing.

And on days Robin didn't start, we had the lovely Todd Zeile manning the hot corner. Needless to say, the third base situation wasn't pretty.

Enter Aaron Boone, 5 years younger than Robin and with a bat much more alive than Robin's, who's locked up through the 2004 season. Boone's no superstar, but he's a solid third baseman who provides good defense, a pretty good bat, and another weapon on the basepaths. Boone solves the Yankees' problem at third base, and there would have been a problem. There aren't any better third baseman in this years' FA crop, in fact I'm not sure if there are even any good third baseman. Unless Robin was re-signed, and with the way the year was going I doubt that he would have, who was to play third? Acquiring a Lowell, Koskie, or Chavez, or one of the few third baseman better than Boone, would require AT LEAST Claussen, probably more too.

There are several starters, however, in the list of free-agents-to-be, and I'd be surprised if the Yanks sit pat and watch other teams claim them.

The rotation for next season, right now, looks like this:
Mussina
Pettitte (barring a complete collapse, he'll be re-signed)
Contreras
Lieber
Weaver

Contreras and Lieber are obviously question marks, but that's rotation is assuming the Yankees don't try to pick up a Kevin Millwood or Bartolo Colon. And if Claussen were still here he'd be as big a question mark as them. One decent start against a Vaughn and Piazza-less Mets team does not ensure his place in Cooperstown. Claussen is far from proven. He'd be the number five starter next year anyway, no big loss there. What would hurt is if, 3-4 years from now, Claussen is the Ace of the Reds staff.

Then again, who's to say we'll still be contending in 3-4 years? We're in a pennant race right now, the main pieces of this team are in the prime of thier careers right now, I think it's worth it to try to win a championship NOW rather than worry about how the team will look in 3-4 years, when we may not even be contending.

When all's said and done, Claussen is still an unproven minor leaguer. In return for him, we got a solid third baseman who the Yanks will probably lock up until that Duncan kid (supposedly the "real deal," if the Yanks' word on prospects is still worth anything) is ready, and a good LH reliever for this and next year, who GOD KNOWS we need.

Also worth mention since it is pretty significant, the trade for Aaron Boone was also a steal from Seattle, who desperately needed to improve thier third base situation. It's always nice to block a contendor from getting a key piece to thier puzzle :smokin:

[Cyberlibrarian]

Boone's bat has been worse than Robin's. ;)

As for Pettitte, don't be too sure.

Roger is his best friend on the team, and he's certain to retire. Why couldn't Pettitte just decide to sign with Texas or Houston and stay closer to his home? In addition, George has tried to trade him at least a half dozen times since he came up from Columbus. And, since George is back in charge of the team (let's face it, he really is), he might not even want to re-sign him.

[milky_way]

Wasn't sure if that was meant to be a joke, but just in case, considering Boone's just switched leagues and has faced some pretty nasty pitchers in his few series in pinstripes (Hudson, Zito, Mulder, Meche, Moyer most notably), he deserves a little slack. Two weeks is hardly enough time to judge a player :).

I'd be incredibly surprised if Andy chose to sign elsewhere if the Yanks do try to sign him. He's spent his entire career with the Yankees, and I'm sure the bonds that he's formed go deeper than Clemens. The fans (well, most) love Andy. Andy needs Yankee Stadium. And unless we're able to sign two top pitchers this offseason, the Yankees need Andy too (that is, of course, assuming Andy continues to pitch well and doesn't go through a Weaveresque collapse). I think that in Andy's situation, the Yankees are in control. Unless they lowball him the way they did Stanton and Mendoza or unless some other team offers him a crazy sum of money, he'll re-sign.