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Nanner
11-04-2003, 11:22 AM
Good column by Laura Vecsey. I like the way Beattagan do business. My opinion has always been that a marquis/high priced name doesn't guarantee a WS ring.

O's looking to mind needs and wallet at talent market
Laura Vecsey


Originally published Nov 4, 2003

AFTER A 71-91 SEASON of wondering what 2002 American League MVP shortstop Miguel Tejada or big-hitting, soft-spoken Vladimir Guerrero would look like in an Orioles uniform, the autumn rumor mill has churned out new visuals for local baseball fans. To make sense of the speculation, one only has to load up on the requisite amount of psychedelic pharmaceuticals:

Manny Ramirez batting cleanup and aiming over the right-field wall at Boog's barbecue pit?

Alex Rodriguez in the three hole, anchoring an Orioles team seeking to take aim at Derek "He's Not a $200 Million Shortstop" Jeter and the Yankees?

With less than a week left before the free-agent market officially opens, it's amazing the kind of buzz the Orioles can attract by the mere prospect of their alleged impending spending spree.

The real bummer is that resurgent All-Star catcher Ivan Rodriguez - one of the Orioles' many near-misses last winter - wants to stay in Florida. He may even be willing to accept the same money he rejected last January from the Orioles. That leaves Baltimore to be currently perceived as prime dumping ground for big-dollar players that can't go anywhere else.

Not that the names Ramirez or A. Rodriguez aren't tempting - at a seller's discount.

"Those are intriguing situations and some very big contracts," Orioles vice president of baseball operations Jim Beattie said yesterday. "These guys are very good players, but it's a question how much money a team is willing to spend. You're talking about payrolls of almost $200 million.

"Look at Sammy Sosa. He picked up his option [with the Cubs instead of testing his value on the open market]. Whatever commentary it is on their worth, it's very difficult for clubs to commit 25 percent of their payroll to one person - especially when the teams with the highest-paid players don't win the World Series."

Take that, Evil Empire. And take that, Texas Rangers and Boston Red Sox.

Three years after Boston and Texas notched insane salary marks for two of baseball's most coveted free agents, the punch line to the joke has emerged: The best players in the game can't make themselves happy, because no team they want to play for can or will afford them.

Too bad for A-Rod, who is far too good to be in this predicament, except that he listened to agent Scott Boras, whose fixation on dollars has so far marred a terrific, Hall of Fame career.

Unhappy with losing in Texas, A-Rod has the Red Sox, Yankees, Angels and Orioles on his trade list. Ramirez, who didn't want to leave Cleveland in the first place and would like a trade out of Boston, would have interest in New York or Baltimore, especially if Grady Little were here to manage this slugger from outer space.

Granted, the market has fallen in each of the three years since Boras finagled A-Rod's $252 million contract. A new culture of tightwad-ism has emerged among general managers except those named Brian Cashman and Theo Epstein. Baseball's salary lockdown in response to A-Rod's bank-breaker is so apparent, the players' union is threatening to file collusion charges.

But there's always Baltimore. Just before the opening bell on this winter's market, the only saving grace for baseball's overpaid dispossessed is the allegedly open wallet of the Orioles.

"We were approached at the World Series by some agents representing some very nice free agents," Beattie said.

Makes you wonder what's written on the gates at Camden Yards. Send us your 40-plus-homers-a-season hitters. Send us your Gold Glovers and 1996 AP Player of the Year - but only if his guaranteed contract is more than the gross national product of Portugal.

Contrary to popular, i.e. Internet, "wisdom," the Orioles are not in the market for a franchise player at any price, including two of the game's best that are suddenly available - for $18 million and $25 million a year. The Orioles see the market tapping out at $15 million a year or less for position players. They say they'll be both prudent and aggressive, although that's what they said last winter and their nets came back empty. No Cliff Floyd. No Hideki Matsui. No Pudge. No love at Camden Yards by the time September rolled around.

"The Orioles are not out to set the market. We have a responsibility to our payroll, but we will be aggressive with players. We will demonstrate that we want players, and we will work with free agents," Beattie said.

What is true is the Orioles will target position players as their first prize in the free-agent market, with the focus on one player until he can or can't be secured.

"It's one step at a time. You can't do it all together. We have some options. We could look at Brian Roberts at short. We've talked about Melvin Mora playing third. Jay Gibbons came in and played first, but a position player is first priority," Beattie said.

He also said, in this market, when many clubs are dumping salary or attempting to trade high-price players for prospects, "impressive talent is as much currency" as cash. There isn't a club out there that doesn't need a Luis Matos or Roberts to do a good job at low cost.

The Orioles also say they won't have a $100 million payroll. They may now even believe it's unnecessary to approach the $80 million threshold previously speculated, especially since the Marlins and Angels have won World Series in the mid-$50 million range. There will be no splashes for the sake of making a splash. The Orioles are heading to market to shop aggressively, not wildly.

"We don't want to go through last year again, and we think that with a new manager, a fun team to watch, people will come to the ballpark with the feeling that the Orioles will win every game, not that they have a chance to win," Beattie said.

But first, the real games have to be managed and won starting Nov. 10, when the Orioles' real season begins.


Copyright © 2003, The Baltimore Sun

Durango53
11-05-2003, 12:33 PM
Hey Nanner I will sneak in here quite like and try not to stir the pot to much.:D

I wish the O luck this year. I feel sad when a team with a nice history of winning and such just turn south and start to suck. It would be nice and how big for baseball to have a four horse race in the AL East with the Jays, Sox, Yanks and O's.

Ok I will sneak back out now.

Nanner
11-05-2003, 01:03 PM
Hey, D!!!! :wavey:

Sneak in and stir the pot anytime you want!!! :clap2:

I would love to see a 4-team race. I'm tired of everyone just assuming the O's are going to be in 4th place. I'd love to see our GM's do some good business thiss off-season and start us on the road to contending.

:gt:

Durango53
11-05-2003, 01:18 PM
Well when the O's had a Casper WY man on there team I had to go for them. And I go for alot of teams and the O's are just one of them.

Nanner
11-05-2003, 01:40 PM
Originally posted by Durango53
Well when the O's had a Casper WY man on there team I had to go for them. And I go for alot of teams and the O's are just one of them.

Cool! :thumbsup:

Durango53
11-05-2003, 02:01 PM
So here is your O's trivia for the day.

Who was that guy?

Hint he is a post season MVP.

Nanner
11-05-2003, 02:13 PM
Originally posted by Durango53
So here is your O's trivia for the day.

Who was that guy?

Hint he is a post season MVP.

Okay. I knew you were going to ask that. I have ESP, you know.

:D

Keep in mind I'm a relatively new O's fan......... only a few years.......... so I'm not really up on my O's history.

Let me see........ Rick Dempsey?

Nanner
11-05-2003, 02:33 PM
Brooks?

Nanner
11-05-2003, 02:33 PM
:wait:

PissedPrincess
11-05-2003, 03:02 PM
:wait: :Pissed:

Durango53
11-05-2003, 04:47 PM
Sorry i had to work some.

But no none of the above.

Hint 2

He was a post season MVP for a NL team.

Durango53
11-05-2003, 04:48 PM
Originally posted by Nanner
Okay. I knew you were going to ask that. I have ESP, you know.

:D

Keep in mind I'm a relatively new O's fan......... only a few years..........

You are good. But you dont have to go that far back to find his name....

PopTop
11-05-2003, 05:24 PM
Mike Devereaux ... Funny story about him, well, sorta' funny ... It's the reason I know where he's from, which is Casper, WY, of course ... Had a buddy from the deep Bayou Country of Louisiana, from a little town called Cutoff (South of New Orleans, a mildly famous NFL QB is from Cutoff) ... Anyway, my buddy picks Devereaux for his fantasy team because my buddy just knows that Devereaux is 100% Cajun ... So we look it up and, sure as fire burns, Devereaux is from the very un-Cajun town of Casper.

Had another buddy who drafted Troy O'Leary once because he just knew he was a good Irish kid from Boston ... Boy, was he surprised!

Durango53
11-05-2003, 05:27 PM
Originally posted by PopTop
Mike Devereaux ... Funny story about him, well, sorta' funny ... It's the reason I know where he's from, which is Casper, WY, of course ... Had a buddy from the deep Bayou Country of Louisiana, from a little town called Cutoff (South of New Orleans, a mildly famous NFL QB is from Cutoff) ... Anyway, my buddy picks Devereaux for his fantasy team because my buddy just knows that Devereaux is 100% Cajun ... So we look it up and, sure as fire burns, Devereaux is from the very un-Cajun town of Casper.

Had another buddy who drafted Troy O'Leary once because he just knew he was a good Irish kid from Boston ... Boy, was he surprised!

We have a winner!!!!!!!

Sorry Pop I dont have any cards to send you like RoxBill....

But yes Mike is a Casper boy and come here every year for good will and to throw out the first pitch for little league baseball. A great guy.....

Also Major leaguers from Casper....

Mike Lansing
and the great

Tom Browning

Nanner
11-05-2003, 06:08 PM
I got it! Mike Devereaux!



Oh.............




......... Pops wins. :(


Well, I certainly did find out that Baseball-Reference.com has all the answers to everything baseball! :D

Woohooo!!!

:jump:

(And Mike sounds like a nice guy. :D )

Durango53
11-05-2003, 06:10 PM
Originally posted by Nanner
I got it! Mike Devereaux!



Oh.............




......... Pops wins. :(



(And Mike sounds like a nice guy. :D )

You are aways a winner in my book Nanner... You got to be you are a Vikings fan!!!

Nanner
11-05-2003, 07:19 PM
Originally posted by Durango53
You are aways a winner in my book Nanner... You got to be you are a Vikings fan!!!

Awwwwww........ :luvkiss:


:D

And congrats, by the way, you New Mod, you!!! :clap2:

Durango53
11-05-2003, 07:26 PM
Thanks I guess I have to clean up my act a bit. Does this mean no more cheerleader of the week and the pick I am working on for you of Tice in a swimsuit and pom poms?

Nanner
11-05-2003, 07:37 PM
Originally posted by Durango53
Thanks I guess I have to clean up my act a bit. Does this mean no more cheerleader of the week and the pick I am working on for you of Tice in a swimsuit and pom poms?

I think Obri would put a contract out on you if you stopped the Cheerleader of the Week thing. :2guns: :D

Okay....... you actually get a pic together of Mike in a swimsuit and with pom-poms, I will just have to raise a glass to you.:drinkin:

:D

Durango53
11-05-2003, 07:45 PM
Hey I can get people to do all kinds of things. I have a milk ad with me and Big Mac in it together!!!