What next for King Theo?

[I Are Baboon]

Signing a closer?
Pulling off an A-Rod deal?
Working on Nixon and Ortiz deals?

What's the word around Beantown?

[Fragmentsofme]

The bullpen. We need a solid closer. Gordon looks like he's heading towards the Yanks, so we need someone else, and Foulke is too much now that we signed Schilling.

[PissedPrincess]

I haven't ruled out Foulke yet. Pitching, and more pitching.

:coffee:

[cxlx]

I heard a great idea the other day from a caller on WEEI.

IF we do go for A Rod, and the deal goes down. Then maybe we can trade Nomar for Garret Anderson. Why is this good?? Nomar gets to go back to Cali, and we get a replacement in LF. A great one at that. Hes hit more doubles than anyone else in the majors last year, and dude was the HR champion. His contract is good til 2004. But hes only a $5 million man. It could work out. :notme:

[I Are Baboon]

Bob, I like your wild imagination. I mean that. :)


:PPsmilie:

[cxlx]

Originally posted by I Are Baboon
Bob, I like your wild imagination. I mean that. :)


:PPsmilie:

This is not stuff I made up. This is stuff I hear on WEEI. And I hear alot of crap on that station. But I just like to quote "some" good ideas. :D

[Hobosox]

Originally posted by cxlx
IF we do go for A Rod, and the deal goes down. Then maybe we can trade Nomar for Garret Anderson.

this is the best idea I have heard this offseason. and while i doubt its likelihood, wouldn't it be great?? A-Rod and Garrett to replace Manny and Nomar. As much as i love Nomar, our payroll would stay close to the same and we'd get two just-as-good-if-not-better hitters who would have career years in cozy Fenway. Plus, it'd get Manny's lazy ass out of town.

Where do i sign??? :D

[cxlx]

Originally posted by BoSox5945
this is the best idea I have heard this offseason. and while i doubt its likelihood, wouldn't it be great?? A-Rod and Garrett to replace Manny and Nomar. As much as i love Nomar, our payroll would stay close to the same and we'd get two just-as-good-if-not-better hitters who would have career years in cozy Fenway. Plus, it'd get Manny's lazy ass out of town.

Where do i sign??? :D

Thanks. :D

Now I dont have to feel foolish anymore. :D

[I Are Baboon]

Originally posted by cxlx
Thanks. :D

Now I dont have to feel foolish anymore. :D

Don't feel foolish, yo. I think it's a great idea. But for that to happen, something like 37 things have to happen in a particular order, and so far none of them have. :D I'm not saying this isn't a possibility...god knows the Theo Machine is hard at work, but think of the series of events that must occur in each of these scenarios.

[Hobosox]

i see the series of events (though unlikely) like this:

1. some sort of trade involving A-Rod and Manny where contracts are absorbed, maybe a few prospects thrown in. Texas may not want Manny's sal., or his laziness, so it could potentially be a 3-team deal (which, as babs points out, might be one thing which requires a lot of things/negotiations to happen)

2. boston turns around and makes a Nomar-for-Anderson trade which would also include some prospects. The problem here that would require more little things to happen is A) the angels have to be willing and able to pay Nomar an appropriate contract and B) something would have to be done about David Eckstein. he's a team player and a decent hitter, but with Nomar in town he might be shipped elsewhere, so that deal would have to be worked out too.


am i missing anything else Babs?

[Blue56]

I'd still love to see Vlady play for the sox!!

Maybe trade Ramirez to Atlanta, since they need an outfielder, and sign Vlady!:notme:

[Fragmentsofme]

I think the Braves have a better chance of signing Vlad than trading for Manny. And I'm sure he can be had at or around the same price as Manny, without having to give up prospects. This year will be a mini-rebuilding year for the Braves, and they wouldn't give up any prospects. At least I hope Schurholtz wouldn't

[cxlx]

I just read an article about A-Rod. I know, blah blah blah. Anyways, supposely its said that if A Rod is traded to Boston for Manny, Texas is also looking for some $cash$. WTF?? They need the extra income to bring in better pitching. So I dont think this deal is going down. But stranger things have happened. :notme:

Also, Ive read that Nomah is extremely passionate about staying in Boston. I believe the concerns were that he might not sign with Boston next year, so we should get something for him while we still can. I believe we should give him an extension NOW.

Castillo resigned with the Marlins yesterday, second base is still a big mystery. :umm

Ah Im not concerned about anything right now, we'll just let Theo take care of everything. :D

[I Are Baboon]

Bob, last night Jayson Stark said the the Sox are now closer to acquiring A-Rod than they ever have been. WTF? He also said it appears the Sox are the only team in the running right now. How the hell are we going to pull off that trade???

[cxlx]

Originally posted by I Are Baboon
Bob, last night Jayson Stark said the the Sox are now closer to acquiring A-Rod than they ever have been. WTF? He also said it appears the Sox are the only team in the running right now. How the hell are we going to pull off that trade???

:notme:

I have no idea. Im soo confused. If we do some how pull this off, in the great words of PP, "Ill do him". :D :naughty:

[PissedPrincess]

Arod, no Manny and Nomah. Wouldn't we be worse off?

[cxlx]

Originally posted by pedro's princess
Arod, no Manny and Nomah. Wouldn't we be worse off?

So A Rod for bother Manny and Nomar??? :umm

[I Are Baboon]

Originally posted by pedro's princess
Arod, no Manny and Nomah. Wouldn't we be worse off?

Well I doubt it'll be both guys for A-Rod. I have not heard Nomar's name mentioned in the A-Rod trade.

[PissedPrincess]

Guys, if Manny goes to Texas, Nomah is gone. He will be traded. You can't carry 2 SS's.

[PissedPrincess]

Guys, if Manny goes to Texas, Nomah is gone. He will be traded. You can't carry 2 SS's.

[PissedPrincess]

Did my post work? Mad Computer probs today.:angry:

[Fragmentsofme]

It worked twice

[SlushyBOB]

2 years ago I would have loved Garrett for Nomar, but now with our OF pretty much in shambles I wouldn't want to lose our solid power from Garrett unless SToneman gets on OF as well as Nomar. Then I could handle the move. My 2cents.

[cxlx]

Originally posted by pedro's princess
Guys, if Manny goes to Texas, Nomah is gone. He will be traded. You can't carry 2 SS's.

Oh of course silly, we thought you were talking about trading both Manny and Nomar to Texas for A Rod. Thats would be insane.

I just read an article in the Herald that Manny wants to stay. And his focus is on getting in shape for Fort Myers. Hes happy that hes still a Red Sox and is extremely excited about Schilling coming on board. Makes me kinda feel bad now. :( Ive tried to keep an open space in my heart for Manny, for one reason only, cuz hes one of my friends best buddy. So I dont know.

[PissedPrincess]

Of course Manny's saying this BS. He doesn't want to go to Texas. He thought the Yanks would grab him. HE WAS WRONG. Now he's scared.

EFF HIM. He wants to be a Yank only.:angry:

[I Are Baboon]

Manny has had three years in Boston to prove he is worth that rediculous contract and he fallen far short. Boston fans will never forget his refusing to pinch hit in that NY series. I agree with Princess that he is changing his tune because he knows he might go to Texas, plus he says he wants to stay here because, based on his waiver, he knows no one else wants him. Screw Manny.

[Fragmentsofme]

Unfortunately, I think everyone else in baseball feels the same way as Boston, and that's why he's still here, and not been traded to some other team.

[PissedPrincess]

Every time I see Manny's name, I wanna punch Duquette in the balls.

What a piece of shit, $20 mill piece of shit. :angry:

[cxlx]

Originally posted by pedro's princess
Every time I see Manny's name, I wanna punch Duquette in the balls.

What a piece of shit, $20 mill piece of shit. :angry:

I would just want to punch him in the balls, just to punch him in the balls. hehe :D

[Hobosox]

don't punch him in the balls, kick him in the ass. maybe that will get him out of the box and moving down the line a bit faster.....

[redsoxman]

I wouldn't mind seeing Manny go bye-bye, but Nomar as well?! No freakin' way!! Seeing Nomar in a uniform that AIN'T a Red Sox uniform is simply wrong and disturbing. :no

[amag]

I agree there. Also the things I am hearing said about manny are downright absurd. He has had 3 fantastic years in boston. Never in his career has he ever had anything close to a down year and he is one of the greatest and most dependable hitters in baseball.

As for people thinking they personally know whether he would be lying as if they have the deepest inner workings of his mind figured out based on some story a reporter put out there... as if the news article really tells you THAT much about manny... you should know better

[BigCardinalsFan]

I agree as well
Nomar is a shortstop like Derek Jeter
He should just stay with Boston:fro:

[PissedPrincess]

Daviv Ortiz had a better year than Manny.

FACT: Manny sat out the Yank series.

FACT: Manny REFUSED to pinch hit in that CRUCIAL Philly game.

FACT: Manny told all the world how we wants to be a Yank.

FACT: Manny begged his agent to get the Sox to put him on waivers.

FACT: Manny is a jerk.:angry: And way overpaid. He's a one tool player.

[PissedPrincess]

We would all like Nomah to stay. But if we can dump Manny AND get Arod, then Nomah will have to go. As sad as that is.

[PissedPrincess]

And BTW, I don't know how any self-respecting Sox fan can root for Manny.

WE ARE PAYING HIM $20 mill to spit in our face and yap about how he hates it here and wants to be a Yank.

That's unacceptable to me, sorry.

[cxlx]

AMEN SISTAH!!! :D

Ive heard that Francona was the bench coach for Texas at one point. He may want to have the staff push for A Rod. :notme:

They wont allow A Rod talk anymore on WEEI. hehe :clap2:

[I Are Baboon]

Bob, if I hear you mention A-Rod any more, I may be forced to cock punch you.

:brick:

[I Are Baboon]

Originally posted by pedro's princess
And BTW, I don't know how any self-respecting Sox fan can root for Manny.

WE ARE PAYING HIM $20 mill to spit in our face and yap about how he hates it here and wants to be a Yank.

That's unacceptable to me, sorry.

The Sox fan that still supports Manny is the same person whose wife cheats on him and he forgives her.

[PissedPrincess]

Originally posted by I Are Baboon
The Sox fan that still supports Manny is the same person whose wife cheats on him and he forgives her.

:evillol:

[amag]

Why do you assume that I must be basing my points on absolutley nothing?

About the money:

"Now, let's get this straight. Manny Ramirez didn't want to leave Cleveland to take his $160 million from the Red Sox, but the negotiations weren't about what Ramirez wanted, it was about Jeff Moorad being able to say he got $20 million a year (even if the union figures it at $17.5 million)."

...

"He was offered a chance to opt out of his current contract (which he would have done), but we're told the union wouldn't allow him to do that -- the "union" that lectures us about rights of the sweat shop inmates who play baseball, unless those rights have to do with trying to trade happiness for dollars, a right forbidden by the MLBPA."
ESPN.com

And we hold that against him.

About the Yankees:

It has been a childhood dream of Manny of play in NY. He grew up in New York city and was an extremley hard working athlete. So this isn't like an instant thing he is doing as a shot against the Red Sox. Also in 2000 he was interested in signing with the Yankees, but they ended up signing Mussina and, we ended up signing Manny. He didn't just decide because of all this criticism to say "Hey I hate you all now so I'll play for New York." I don't like the Yankees myself, but does that give me the right to call him a jerk?

But nonetheless we choose to hold that against him.

About him 'sitting out' the Phils game:

He said he was too weak. I am not sure who here personally knows Manny and what is going through his head so well that they can somehow know he is lying. You can assume he is. ok. But when you hold this against him remember that this is not a fact, it is a supposed fact.

But we hold that against him as a solid undeniable fact anyway.

About him 'sitting out' the Yankees game:
Same here. He was sick. The fact that he was needed more can't make a guy just become healthy somehow. He is also, very good friends with Enrique Wilson.

"Manny invited me to lunch every day, took me out and bought me clothes," Wilson, who was first recalled by Cleveland in 1997, said "I was living with him in the same apartment. He took care of me.

"He's my best friend in baseball. Manny is my idol. He's a nice guy. I don't care how good you are, you should respect everybody."

Seeming to go along with my logic is something Shea Hillenbrand said on the subject: "Manny's a man. He has every right to do what he wants to do off the field. That's his business. People failed to say that he wasn't drinking (Saturday night), he was meeting with a good friend. How do they know Manny wasn't in bed all day and needed to get out and get a breath of fresh air?"

Former teammate Carlos Baerga said this:"You're sick, but you can't go to a restaurant with one of your friends? I am so pissed off at that team. They're making it so big."

Actually people close to him say Manny is a really nice guy.

"Yet those close to Ramirez -- including David Ortiz, New England's newest hero -- speak of a thoroughly unselfish man-child whose biggest hindrance is his excessive shyness. "
sportsline.com

Now with the info above do I beleive the accusations to be solid facts to hold against Ramirez? No. They are questionable and misinformed at best. Do I beleive that baseball writers and fans like to stir up controversy to make things seem worse than they are? Well... its not harder to beleive that one.

[I Are Baboon]

I also hear that Manny hates Jews and is a Satan worshiper. Hey, that's just what I heard. :notme:

[Fragmentsofme]

Yeah, smooth move for Manny. Let's say (while we're on the Boston Red Sox roster) that I want to play for the Red Sox rival, in the middle of a pennant race with said rival. Steve McNabb can play a game with a broken ankle, but poor Manny gets a head cold and he has sit out while his team is playing :eek: the Yanks.

[PissedPrincess]

Please with the Manny didn't want to leave Cleveland BS. He left. He left because he wanted THE $20 mill. If he had half a brain, he woulda said I'm staying in Clevbeland.

HE TOOK THE MONEY. He left the team for WEEKS to get his friggin ears pierced.

He dogs it all the time. HE WAS TOO SICK TO PINCH HIT, BUT HE CAN HANG OUT WITH ENRIQUE? Gimme a break.

I believe nothing Manny or his agent says. They are both scum in my eyes. Manny's actions(sorry Grady, sore throat, can't pinch hit:hmm: ) tells me all I need to know.

You want to like him? I could care less. But don't be so naive as to think he's a shy misunderstood soul.

He's a grown man who makes $20 mill a year, and could give a crap about the team which pays him.

[PissedPrincess]

Originally posted by Fragmentsofme
Yeah, smooth move for Manny. Let's say (while we're on the Boston Red Sox roster) that I want to play for the Red Sox rival, in the middle of a pennant race with said rival. Steve McNabb can play a game with a broken ankle, but poor Manny gets a head cold and he has sit out while his team is playing :eek: the Yanks.

My point exactly. ACTIONS speak louder than words. His manager asks him to pinch hit in a CRUCIAL game, and Manny says NO, sorry, my throat hurts.

Manny cares only about Manny.

[Fragmentsofme]

And money, which is almost Manny

[PissedPrincess]

BTW- He was NOT willing to opt out of his contract. The Sox told him to rip it up, he and Jeff said NO, fearing the Union might get pissed off. They weren't willing to try.

They weren't willing to try, because they didn't want to lose 20 mill. Which is WHY we was put on waivers, to see if anyone else wanted to pay him 20 mill. No one did.

BELIEVE me, if Manny wanted to rip up his contract, it would have been done. The Sox would have fought for that tooth and nail.

[SlushyBOB]

I think Amag and the Red Sox forum posters both make good points. Amag had quotes from former and current teammates to prove his point and the forum people gave their reasons, from Manny's actions, as well.

However, I think that it is hard to debate Manny's helpfulness to the Red Sox with people that have the kind of passion for their team that the Red Sox forum people have.

I think the answer is somewhere in the middle. Sometimes athletes do get unfair abuse from fans and sometimes it's warranted.

Personally I think there is something to what both sides say. If his teammates back him up then I don't think he's as bad as the Red Sox Forum people say, although at this point it might be good for the Red Sox and for Manny if he did move on to another team. BUT, the Red Sox forum people also have a point that about Manny's laziness that won't endear him to any fans.

just my 2 cents, or 1.2 cents after inflation and taxes.

[PissedPrincess]

Shea Hillenbrand and Carlos freakin Baerga are notorious cancers of their own. Shea called Theo a FAG and told him to trade him on a radio station. Theo did.

Carlos is a lazy slacker who Cleveland dumped.

His current teammates aren't fond of him at all. Imagine how they felt looking in the dugout at a guy who REFUSED to pinch hit and help save their season?

Manny enrages me. As a TRUE SOX fan, what he did was unforgiveable.:angry: :cry:

[PissedPrincess]

Just for the record, AMAG is a good guy, it pains me that he roots for a guy like Manny. Manny is not worth his time.:cool:

[redsoxman]

Okay, if Manny and Nomar were to be traded for A-Rod, who do we put in left field?

[PissedPrincess]

Well, we wouldn't trade Nomah for Arod. Only Manny would go to Texas. But, you'd then have to trade Nomah somewhere.

YOU could probably play LF as good as Manny.:D

You could pick up anyone cheap.

[redsoxman]

PP,

You're probably right. If the trade happens and we get A-Rod, put in a good word for me and I'll go try out for the vacant left field position. :D