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WilponSTINKS
07-20-2004, 03:24 PM
Looks like Franco is public enemy #1 now, as soon as they announced he was comming in the game the boo's came down with a fury, he got the cedeno adn benitez treatment
Even Stanton didn't get booed as heavily as franco did, but he got his share, I didn't like Moreno getting booed though, he is just a kid who had his first bad outing in a long time and Looper got it as well, I understand him getting booed seeing how he gave up the lead but im not gonna boo a guy who has been money in the bank for the majority of the year

erickson looked decent, nothing special but better than Ginter
also Dejean....ehhh this guy stinks I think he can hurt us in the pen hopefully the fake injury Parra came up with heals quickly

CitySkyline
07-20-2004, 07:51 PM
During the game, on WFAN, the announcers touched upon this topic. Especially Gary Cohen couldn't believe the fans. He touched upon the fact that Franco has been so good this year against lefties that for the fans to boo him was unfair.

The other announcer (shoot, was it Howie Rose?) touched upon something that I agree with: to a certain degree, fans have a lot less patience with players since players earn so much more money nowadays. Nowadays, I hear more fans say, "For the millions they pay him, he should get the job done!" I used to never hear that before. It's one of those things that players probably didn't realize: you want to earn millions more? you want to increase your huge salaries by striking? (yeah, even something as far away as 1994 adds to this). Great, just don't expect us to give you an easy time of it when you play poorly, cuz we'll let you hear about it!

Obviously, it's not just Met fans. The announcers mentioned how Jeff Bagwell (I believe it was him) has been hearing it from his fans this year since he's been slumping.

The truth is, in the olden days, I think fans felt closer to the players and were more inclined to give them a break. Now, fans feel this is much more a business environment and treat it as such.

(The other reason I think fans are booing more has to do with frustrations: we Met fans are tasting a winning season and can't help but feel annoyed when the team does some bad play.)

cobra
07-21-2004, 09:36 AM
erickson was worse than his numbersm showed. He left A LOT of balls right down th middle of the plate that the Marlins just didn't hit. They probably were adjusting to his pitching style and arm angle.
Frankly I think the season's over. The braves are going to take the division. The mets have already lost 4 straight and I was afraid that they were going to go into one of their notorious prolonged slumps.
Hey at least Phillips is not an every day player anymore. lol

Cyberlibrarian
07-23-2004, 08:16 PM
I don't approve of booing your own players. Why give the opposition any advantage?

The booing is a reason why a lot of guys don't want to play here -- Luis Castillo, for example, has said point blank that, the minute the fans booed, he'd be out of here. So, instead of blaming Fred Wilpon, perhaps some "fans" should look in the mirror.

WilponSTINKS
07-23-2004, 08:47 PM
Well that was obviously aimed towards me or i think it was,so I will say if these guys can't take booing than stay the F outta NY, complaining about booing just shows how mentally weak they are
Castillo saying he would leave the minute the fans boo is totally weak on his part and shows he doesn't have the mental toughness to stay focused on the game
Lastly it's 99% about the money, I guarantee you if Wilpon offered Castillo more money he would sign in a ny minute
these idiots can talk out of their asss all they want but when it comes down to it they will play wherever the money takes them
I bet he would have failed here just like Alomar

Cyberlibrarian
07-23-2004, 09:16 PM
I guess you really didn't want Guerrero either. Because all evidence points to him not being willing to tolerate obnoxious fans and an overly critical, intrusive press corps.

According to ESPN, he'd had a deal in place with the Dodgers but it fell through because their new owner didn't have the cash. Yet more evidence that he wanted Southern California all along.

Booing doesn't show your knowledge about the game. It shows ignorance and callousness. Why would a "knowledgeable" fan cheer wildly about a home run and then boo mercilessly a few minutes later if the same player drops a fly ball?

I have been a Mets fan for every single one of their 42 years and I have NEVER booed one of my own players. It gives the OTHER team an advantage, and there is never a reason to do that. EVER. Yes, the players make a lot of money, and yes, they should play well, but booing your own players is not the answer. It can, on the contrary, make matters worse.

You have a lot of chutzpah to suggest that booing is a good thing and that only wimps can't handle it. I would counter by saying that only wimps boo.

Misha77Piazza
07-23-2004, 09:34 PM
I'm with Leiterfan on this one. I don't like to boo on our own players, I only boo on bad plays. That's it.

WilponSTINKS
07-23-2004, 09:35 PM
Wait a minute I never said booing was a good thing, but yes I did say some players can't handle it
You can also counter saying wimps boo, it's your opinion but booing is part of the game, so is cheering
I don't think it makes people ignorant to the game because they boo players, and kudos to you for never booing during your long tenure as a met fan , you have incredible restraint

as for Guererro ok maybe he never wanted to come here im really trying to move on from that but we will never be ever certain he wouldn't have come here unless Wilpon actually offered him a real deal and heard the actual rejection from Guererro himself

Cyberlibrarian
07-24-2004, 10:37 AM
Booing is not necessarily "part of the game." People outside of NY, Philly and Boston don't boo their players. Perhaps people in St. Louis (for example) are a tad too tolerant, but players LOVE playing there. Mark McGwire took less money to play there, as did Jim Edmonds. No one WANTS to be booed.

More athletes avoid NY because of the boo-birds than would kill to play here. And it's about time the booers understood that. Guerrero didn't want to play here. Castillo didn't want to play here. A lot of top players don't want to play here.

And the nit-pickiness and the booing are reasons why.

Even booing a bad play is counterproductive because it can make a guy try too hard next time and screw up even worse. Booing your own players is wrong. It gives the other team a lift, and I can't see why someone who considers him/herself to be "knowledgeable" would ever even think of helping out the other team.

WilponSTINKS
07-24-2004, 11:34 AM
Well booers will never understand that because that's the way life is in ny philly boston and mostly east coast teams, we are passionate about our teams it's been that way since sports began in ny
and the majority of us don't boo for the sake of booing, some guys get slack like rookies and allstar players or hard nose guys
Players that usually get booed were given a grace period to shape up and produce then they have to go and keep being unproductive and then feel the wrath
too bad most players can't be like Hidalgo and quickly gain the trust of fans

Cyberlibrarian
07-24-2004, 04:35 PM
I'm certainly passionate about my team (ask anyone who's ever been to a game with me), and I have NEVER booed them. Why? Because my love for my team is stronger than my dislike for any other team (including the Yankees). Which is why I would NEVER want to give the other team any advantage. And, no matter how insignificant you might think it is, it is still an advantage. And there is never a reason to give the other team an advantage. NEVER.

Jodi2231
07-24-2004, 06:06 PM
I agree with Julie. I would NEVER boo the Mets. Do I get pissed off at them and want to strangle some of the players for stupid plays sometimes? Hell yeah!! But I've never booed when I went to a game and I never will. It doesn't do any good. It really pissed me off that Piazza was getting booed. He was the only one hitting for most of the first half of the season. EVERY PLAYER has slumps and some last longer than others. He's had them before and always come out of them. Booing him really isn't the answer.