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Dark_Angel
07-26-2004, 03:06 AM
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Suspensions Are Coming

By TYLER KEPNER

BOSTON - Before he had received any videotapes of Saturday's brawl between the Yankees and the Boston Red Sox, before he had seen the umpires' report, before he had talked with anyone involved, Bob Watson knew one thing.

"There will be some suspensions," said Watson, baseball's disciplinarian, in a telephone interview. "You can best believe that."

Watson said he was traveling and would not be able to make a ruling until Wednesday or Thursday, after he had talked to Bruce Froemming, the plate umpire on Saturday, and Richie Garcia, the umpires' supervisor who was at Fenway Park.

But Watson stressed that his delay would not mean that he would spare the participants. "Please believe me," he said. "They will hear from me."

The Yankees' Alex Rodriguez sparred with Red Sox catcher Jason Varitek near home plate in the third inning Saturday, after Rodriguez had spewed expletives at Boston pitcher Bronson Arroyo after being hit by a pitch. Rodriguez and Varitek were ejected, as were two reserves, the Yankees' Kenny Lofton and the Red Sox' Gabe Kapler.

Rodriguez avoided the news media before Sunday's game, saying only that he was not sore from the fight and that he had not watched footage of it, then ducking into an off-limits training room. Because he would not talk, Rodriguez could not answer charges from the Red Sox that he overreacted to Arroyo's pitch.

"Yesterday happened because we were competing and someone didn't understand," said Boston pitcher Curt Schilling, who was among the first to join the fray. "He wasn't trying to hit him there. That's ridiculous. There's no reason to hit him there. We're down, 3-0, and A-Rod didn't do anything. He did get a big hit the night before, but that was no reason why he'd throw at him. He overreacted in that situation, and it was stupid."

Red Sox Manager Terry Francona also blamed the Yankees for instigating the fight.

"I'm hoping we won't have anybody suspended," he said. "I have a feeling that after they watch the films, we'll fare better than they will. When you watch the video, you'll see that some of their guys were pretty aggressive."

Lofton said that he was surprised to be ejected and that he did not believe he should be suspended for his role. He mentioned Schilling and the three Red Sox players - Kapler, David Ortiz and Trot Nixon - who dragged Yankees pitcher Tanyon Sturtze away from the pile.

"I didn't do anything," Lofton said. "I was doing much less that anybody else did, from Schilling to Nixon to Ortiz and Kapler. I did 120 percent less than what they did, and I got thrown out. I was trying to get guys off A-Rod, and then when I saw Tanyon over there, I tried to get Nixon and Ortiz off him. To get thrown out for that, they need to watch the tape and that will change it all. I'm not worried about anything."

Saturday's game was the fourth in a row between these teams in which at least one player was hit by a pitch. The Yankees' Tom Gordon hit Boston's Nomar Garciaparra with a 94-mile-an-hour fastball in the seventh inning Friday, when he was trying to protect a one-run lead.

A day later, violence erupted, as it did in the 1970's between these teams and as it has the last two seasons.

"When I was with the Red Sox, I don't remember us being in an all-out brawl with the Yankees," said Gordon, who pitched for Boston from 1996 to 1999. "That was pretty much the first one I've been involved in. It was a pretty rough one, but it's something that happens when it's heated and you're playing hard and you want to win.

"It's part of the game, but you just don't want it to get blown too far out of control where someone really gets hurt."

The Yankees fared better than the Red Sox in that aspect. Varitek did not start Sunday because of a sore right wrist, which he shoved in Rodriguez's face with during the fight.

The Yankees' biggest casualty was Sturtze, who left the game after three innings with a bruised right pinkie, which was immobilized before Sunday's game.

Sturtze could get another start if Kevin Brown is not ready to come back the next time through the rotation, and he said he expected to throw again in a couple of days. But without use of the pinkie, Manager Joe Torre said, Sturtze could not use his changeup.

Sturtze said he did not believe he deserved punishment for fighting. "I was just pulling someone off the pile, and I ended up in a corner with a bunch of guys," he said. "I would think not, but you never know."

The Yankees and the Red Sox know this much: Major League Baseball took notice of their brawl, and they will be punished for it.

Thedatch
07-26-2004, 10:37 AM
here we go with the freaking finger pointing. everyone should just shut the freak up and take it like a man. you fight, its illegal, you pay the price. probably tek and a-rod will get the most, strutze and kaplar wil get some, thats about it i think

rockin500
07-26-2004, 10:50 AM
Arod deserves 10 games, Varitek deserves 10 games. sturtze deserves 5 games, and so does Kaplar.

any of the other participants who were deemed "involved", should get 1-2 games max.

Thedatch
07-26-2004, 10:57 AM
i think 10 games is a little excessive. give en 7 or something

rockin500
07-26-2004, 11:03 AM
well, this goes for that excessive swearing and provoking that Arod did. that was stupid. and varitek responding the way he did was stupid as well. he deserves 2 extra games just for punching arod with his catchers mask on. lol

Thedatch
07-26-2004, 11:04 AM
no, what are you talking abotu...that was just smart :D wouldnt you do the same? lol

PissedPrincess
07-26-2004, 11:51 AM
4 games each for Tek and AROD. Hell, they didn't punch eachother out. It was tame. No way they get 10 games.

Thedatch
07-26-2004, 12:02 PM
you think this deserves less punishment than ortiz throwing bats at the umps? i dunno. alls i know it arod got is face punched in, so now jeter and a-rod have belmishes on their face. they go so well together :D

PissedPrincess
07-26-2004, 12:17 PM
It deserves far less than the bat incident.

Thedatch
07-26-2004, 12:18 PM
why?

Kiwideus
07-26-2004, 05:33 PM
10 games??? my ass!

3 to 5 games is more appropriate for Tek and A-Rod, the rest of others probably get from 1 to 3 games, including fines.

milky_way
07-26-2004, 11:34 PM
I agree, I doubt anyone will get more games than Ortiz for throwing the bats.

I agree with Kiwi, 3-5 games for Tek and ARod sounds about right. Sturtze and Kapler will probably get a couple. I wonder if Kenny did anything bad enough to warrent a suspension...

PissedPrincess
07-26-2004, 11:59 PM
During the Sox game, Remy read a memo from Bob Watson. It said, if anyone in the Yankees or Red sox organizations thinks there will not be suspensions, I have 2 words.

FAT CHANCE.

I thought that was funny. :laff:

Misha77Piazza
07-27-2004, 02:42 PM
Why can't he suck it up and take it like a man? No, he's a real wimp regardless whether who started the brawl! He should have walked to first base without swearing at the pitcher and catcher. What a mouthful in any case some of you may not able to read his lips but I assume you do. :D




Monday, July 26, 2004


Associated Press
TORONTO -- New York Yankees star Alex Rodriguez plans to appeal any suspension he might receive for his role in Saturday's brawl with the Boston Red Sox.

"Whatever it is I'm going to appeal it," Rodriguez said Monday. "When somebody attacks, you have to protect yourself."

Boston pitcher Bronson Arroyo hit Rodriguez with a pitch Saturday, prompting the AL MVP to stare at the mound as he moved slowly toward first base. Boston catcher Jason Varitek positioned himself in front of Rodriguez and the two began jawing before Varitek, still wearing his mask, pushed Rodriguez in the face.
The dugouts and bullpens emptied.
Rodriguez said that Varitek started the fight.
"What was said, from my half, was simply a rebut and a reply," Rodriguez said. "What was said under the mask was a lot greater."
Rodriguez said he merely stood up for himself.
"If someone challenges you like that, I'm going to stand up to it," he said.
Rodriguez still had a scrape on his right cheek before Monday night's game against Toronto.

Told that Varitek missed Sunday's game after he injured his wrist in the brawl, Rodriguez joked: "I'm stronger than I look. If you hit me, you'll break your wrist."

New York right-hander Tanyon Sturtze injured his right pinkie in the fight and will not make his scheduled start against Baltimore on Thursday. Sturtze will have an MRI in New York on Tuesday. He also has a 3-inch cut under his left ear.

With Mike Mussina and Kevin Brown on the disabled list, Jose Contreras, who struggled Sunday night in Boston, will be moved up to pitch on three days' rest Thursday against the Orioles.

milky_way
07-27-2004, 11:14 PM
You can't say what he should have done because we don't know what Varitek said. ARod's initial comments to Arroyo didn't look bad IMO (a batter yapping at a pitcher who hits him is a common occurance in baseball, especially when the pitch might have been intentional), it was his F-Bombs to Varitek that helped escalate the situation. That said, we can't place blame on one person when you only hear one side of a conversation. Varitek said something to A-Rod before A-Rod went on his verbal rant, but we don't know what it was. His mask was covering his face :tongue:

But I'd like A-Rod to shut up about the damn thing already. He wasn't an innocent victim, even though Varitek initiated the physical contact. They're BOTH at fault. That said, everyone appeals suspensions; I'd be surprised if he didn't.

Thedatch
07-27-2004, 11:18 PM
look. all the players need to shut up. i heard francona saying he thought the sox would be better off in the suspensions when they watched the tape, now a-rod is whining like a sissy. they really do need to shut up and play, and take it up the ass from the league (pardon my french). they deserve suspensions, and they are gonna get em

Dark_Angel
07-29-2004, 09:24 PM
A-Rod, Varitek Suspended 4 Games Each


NEW YORK -- New York Yankees third baseman Alex Rodriguez and Boston Red Sox catcher Jason Varitek were suspended four games each by the league Friday for their parts in a bench-clearing brawl between the two teams last weekend.

Rodriguez had a staredown with Boston starter Bronson Arroyo after getting plunked on the left arm in the third inning. Varitek then stepped in and ended up shoving Rodriguez in the face, inciting both benches to clear.

Yankees starter Tanyon Sturtze and Gabe Kapler of the Red Sox started battling during the scrum. Kapler soon had Sturtze wrestled to the ground, as Boston's David Ortiz and Trot Nixon joined in the pummeling.

Rodriguez and Varitek were ejected for their roles starting the fracas, as were Kapler and New York's Kenny Lofton.

Kapler, Nixon and Sturtze were each handed three-game suspensions.

Sturtze wound up with a bloody left ear and left the game with a bruised right pinky finger after giving up two runs in the bottom of the third inning. He underwent precautionary X-rays.

Rodriguez said earlier in the week he would appeal any suspension, claiming he acted only in self-defense.

The brawl was the latest episode of hostility between the two teams. On May 20, 1976, a huge fracas took place at Yankee Stadium after New York's Lou Piniella collided with Red Sox catcher Carlton Fisk. In that fight, Boston pitcher Bill Lee was body-slammed and suffered a broken collarbone.

The teams also brawled during Game 3 of last October's American League Championship Series, which resulted in Boston ace Pedro Martinez throwing 72- year-old Don Zimmer, then the Yankees' bench coach, to the ground.

Lofton, Ortiz and Boston starting pitcher Curt Schilling were each fined an undisclosed amount of money.


Copyright 2004. Courtesy of SportsNetwork.

skippy
07-29-2004, 09:28 PM
I still don't know what Lofton did, he shouldn't be fined... probably other sox shouldn't be fined either..... this is all a mess.. argh

milky_way
07-29-2004, 10:05 PM
That sounds about right. I still don't know what Lofton did, and from the quotes I've read, Lofton doesn't know either.

skippy
07-29-2004, 10:24 PM
this whole thing is stupid... might as well fine me for cursing at the TV!!

people need to play ball not go boxing about the field, it's stupid, I know this is a rivalry, but it's a GAME rivalry, there shouldn't be any personal hatred between these 2 teams...

PissedPrincess
07-29-2004, 10:39 PM
There really isn't. Weren't you guys around in the 70's? Those guys hated eachother. Today they're all buddies.

Bill Lee tells a funny story about the brawl in 76. It was 4am after the brawl, he and 3 Sox players went to drink at some hole in the wall in NY. No one is there. The door opens and who walks in but Pinella. Pinella stops, then tells the bartender he will pick up their tab.

The interviewer says wow that was nice. Lee says no, nothing nice about it, Lou did it or he woulda been hurt. That's how it used to be.

milky_way
07-29-2004, 10:41 PM
In a way I like it, since I wasn't born when Munson and Fisk were going at it when the Yanks and Sox really hated each other. As a fan, it makes the rivalry more intense, and I LOVE the rivalry. That said, brawls aren't cool. But as long as no one gets injured, it's a hell of a lot of fun to watch professional athletes attempt to fight :D

milky_way
07-29-2004, 10:44 PM
Haha, wow PP posted while I was typing...

The Yanks and Sox had gotten soft with each other. Jeter and Nomar were doing freakin photo shoots together. Enrique and Manny have drinks together in hotel lobbys. This renewed semi-hatred adds intensity to the rivalry :smokin:

Thedatch
07-30-2004, 12:49 AM
fights are fun to watch in the heat of the moment. it is fun for athletes to attempt to throw punches at each other...ive never actually seen anyone actually punch someone...

but after the fight is over, you come to realize what a bunch of immature sissies start the fight. they hit players because they did their job the night before and won a game. they complain about how they were victomized, and they appeal the suspensions everyone knows they deserve. it's very sad. they should act more their age, instead of a bunch of 3 year olds quarreling over who stole who's truck, or barbie doll more likely