FIRE THEO IMMEDIATELY!!!!!!!

[PissedPrincess]

ARE YOU F*CKING KIDDING ME? HE TRADED NOMAH FOR GARBAGE!!!!!!!!!!

[skippy]

guess he thought Nomar wasn't contributing enough? I thought Nomar was great, even with his injury... whom did he get traded for?

[PissedPrincess]

I wanted Nomah gone, but not for Alphabet boy and Cabrera! :bonehead

[milky_way]

Did you guys deal Lowe?

[Vince10984]

I think Lowe stayed, the Twins only got prospects

[PissedPrincess]

No. WTF IS GOING ON? IS THEO THIS STUPID?

[Blue56]

Lowe got traded to the twins i think!

[rockin500]

jim hendry just showed why he is a great executive

you just got dave roberts from the dodgers.

[Blue56]

I also read that we got Roberts from the Dodgers.

[Blue56]

They're still not sure if Clement was part of the deal to Boston.
Come on we need a pitcher!

[PissedPrincess]

Theo must be fired IMMEDIATELY!!!!! THIS IS THE WORST TRADE IN RED SOX HISTORY!!!!!! :bonehead

[Blue56]

Yankees got Loaiza for Contreras and Cash, damn.

[PissedPrincess]

Loaiza sucks, who cares. FIRE THEO!

[Blue56]

If it was something like this:

Boston Get:

Cabrera
Doug Mietz....

Trade:
Nomar
Lowe

Then Theo is stupid!! Why Dind't he go for a starter! WHY!!!! WE NEED PITCHING!

[PissedPrincess]

Lowe is still here.

[Blue56]

WE NEED F*CKING PITCHERS!

[rowdyBostonfan]

Lowe got traded to the twins i think!

Nope didn't happen

[rowdyBostonfan]

Theo must be fired IMMEDIATELY!!!!! THIS IS THE WORST TRADE IN RED SOX HISTORY!!!!!! :bonehead

I wouldn't go that far remember Suppan?

[Blue56]

I think Chicago got a better deal....:( Cabrera is lousy this year!
and WHY do we have 3 FIRST BASEMANS!!!!!

[rowdyBostonfan]

I really don't see how Metz is an upgrade over McCarty.

[Blue56]

he's batting .246

[PissedPrincess]

I'm all done. My heart has been ripped right out. I will NEVER watch another Sox game again.

I hate you THEO! I'm gonna go cry for a month. :crying2:

[Blue56]

What was THEO thinking when he did this trade!! No clement NO TRADE! MAn we need Pitching. Cabrera won't do any better than Nomar. We got two batters under 2.50! :angry:

[rowdyBostonfan]

like I said not an upgrade

McCarty is batting .244 big difference :hmm:

[skippy]

http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=1849988

[Blue56]

The YAnks must be laughing at Theo and the Sox and they're probably celebrating to what looks like another Division win!

[skippy]

The YAnks must be laughing at Theo and the Sox and they're probably celebrating to what looks like another Division win!


I'm not laughing :( we just got Esteben Loaiza :angry:

[Blue56]

Can there still be trades made at this time. You know to finalize it ect?

[rowdyBostonfan]

annoucements can still be made to about 6pm but I don't there is anything new

[Blue56]

They way this trade looks, we might not even get Wild Card!

[Blue56]

theres still hope, i just hope he makes another trade, because this trade really put the Sox fans Down!

[rockin500]

how good is matt murton? we got him too

[PissedPrincess]

It's all over.

I am no longer a Sox fan. EFF THIS ORGANIZATION!!!!!!!!! :bonehead

Bye. :(

[rowdyBostonfan]

how good is matt murton? we got him too

isn't he just a prospect from the farm system?

[Blue56]

Cub fans shouldn't complain any more!!!
Man, How dumb is Theo?

[rockin500]

yah, but how good of a prospect?

[rowdyBostonfan]

It's all over.

I am no longer a Sox fan. EFF THIS ORGANIZATION!!!!!!!!! :bonehead

Bye. :(

you're welcome back anytime

[rockin500]

I'm certainly not complaining. Jim Hendry should win Executive of the Year just for this deal alone

[rowdyBostonfan]

yah, but how good of a prospect?

you know a prospect

hell how am I supposed to know

[rowdyBostonfan]

John Henry

not hendry

[Liter22]

Theo must be fired IMMEDIATELY!!!!! THIS IS THE WORST TRADE IN RED SOX HISTORY!!!!!! :bonehead
Worse than the Ruth trade? This Nomah trade was bad but I think Ruth was even worse

[rowdyBostonfan]

How?

and don't mention anything begining with a C cause it DOESN'T EXIST!!!

[rockin500]

John Henry

not hendry
huh? i'm talking about jim hendry, the cubs GM. he raped theo pretty badly.

[rowdyBostonfan]

Suppan was far worse then this

[rowdyBostonfan]

huh? i'm talking about jim hendry, the cubs GM. he raped theo pretty badly.

oops sorry thought you were talking about our John Henry.

[Blue56]

How can THEO do this? I am just Shocked and Devastated, but REALLY PISSED!

[Vince10984]

How convientient, Boston is in Minnesota right now, Doug M. just has to go into the other locker room

[rowdyBostonfan]

I AM JUST PISSED thst we didn't get what we NEED....PITCHING!!!!

[Thedatch]

am I going to have to be the sole voice of reason here? we needed this trade more than anything. we do not need pitching. we needed defense. with better defense comes better pitching, especially from lowe. also, it was the best that was available. we were not going to re-sign nomar, and instead of getting nothing, we get cabrera, who at fenway park has the potential to do very well. mietkievich (or whatever) is a great 1st baseman, who will help this team not only now, but in the long run as well.

this i think was less of a trade for now, but more of a trade for the future. Theo showed he did not think this team was going to win the series, and he, as he said turned a weakness into a strength. also, dave roberts has 33 stolen bases, and has been caught once. the sox will benefit from all of these players. and guess what...nomar wasnt playing everyday anyway, and probably wasnt going to the rest of the year. he was still hobbling around yesterday. furthermore, nomar had not helped this team at all this season. if there was something we had a surplus of, it was runs, and that was about the only thing nomar was good for is driving in runs. his defense sucked, and he was bitter against the organization for trying to trade him to texas for a-rod.

I for one love this trade. IMO

[rowdyBostonfan]

actaully He said he wasn't going to win the WS with the defense they had that is still the goal of this season.

[rowdyBostonfan]

I thought it was a decent trade at least we got something for Nomar. I just wish we got pitching.

[PissedPrincess]

Look, I agree Nomah had to go. Frankly, I think his injury is more serious than the Sox let on. Plus, he wasn't a team guy, and didn't buy into the on base philosophy.

THAT SAID, to get garbage in return is unacceptable. Theo should have got a lot more. WE GOT ROBBED! :angry:

[rowdyBostonfan]

We got 2 gold glovers. How is that complete garbage?

[PissedPrincess]

Cmon Rowdy it isn't nearly enough. I realize Nomah isn't the stud he was 3 years ago, but he is still a superstar. You don't trade a superstar for 2 good defensive but god awful offensive guys.

[Cyberlibrarian]

Cabrera isn't a great hitter, but the guy's a Gold Glover. Mientkiewicz is another Gold Glover -- the *real* first baseman this team needs.

The Sox thrived without Nomar and with the lousy hitting of Pokey and Bellhorn. The defense on the right-side of the infield is vastly improved (I love Shrek to death, but he's a DH, not a first baseman), and no bats were sacrificed. Yes, the Sox need pitching, but there wasn't much out there that they could get in exchange for Nomar and the few prospects they have down on the farm (for example, neither Pittsburgh nor Tampa Bay can afford him now, much less afford to re-sign him in the fall).

Loaiza is not going to help the Skanks much. Yes, he won 21 games last year, but he's probably not going to come close this year.

[rowdyBostonfan]

The only thing missing from this deal is pitching. I don't think we got comlete garbage* though.

*opinion may change without prior notice or reason

[rowdyBostonfan]

I wanted Clement. Nomar straight up trade.

[traVis y2a]

Orlando Cabrera isn't JUNK. He's a solid hitter who's one of the top defensive shortstops in the game. He's overlooked because he's playing in Montreal and is batting .244. Well, Carl Everett was hitting like .250 with Montreal and he has HELPED Chicago so far (Even though Magglio and Frank gone hurts too much). In Montreal you never have a consistent home, so don't give me this .244 shit, because he one of the BEST players around, HE PLAYS HARD EVERYDAY, everytime he has come to play the Braves i've noticed he gives it his ALL. He has finally left Montreal so now he'll finally be noticed. So what you got in return for Nomar ISN'T junk. Would you rather of gotten Alex Gonzalez? A terrible disciplined hitter who strikes out way too damn much. You had to get rid of Nomar, but WHAT would make you Red Sox fans happy? Is there anyone you would've gotten and been happy about it?

I do agree though with the Three First Baseman crap, why would any team need three first baseman? Unless you move Millar into RF until Nixon gets back. Pitching isn't THAT bad for Boston, it's just the defense that's been the huge problem to be honest with you. They might still be in the AL EAST race if they had even a little bit better defense.

The Sox thrived without Nomar and with the lousy hitting of Pokey and Bellhorn. The defense on the right-side of the infield is vastly improved (I love Shrek to death, but he's a DH, not a first baseman), and no bats were sacrificed. Yes, the Sox need pitching, but there wasn't much out there that they could get in exchange for Nomar and the few prospects they have down on the farm (for example, neither Pittsburgh nor Tampa Bay can afford him now, much less afford to re-sign him in the fall).

Bellhorn ISN'T a lousy hitter, last I looked he has 13 HRs and about 54 RBI's for a second baseman. Though he strikeouts a lot, he walks a lot as well and is ALWAYS ON BASE, so he's NOT EVEN CLOSE TO LOUSY.

PS: I'm not trying to piss anyone off, I'm just stating my opinion.

[PissedPrincess]

Theo got raped. And a condom wasn't used.

[PissedPrincess]

Well, you did a hell of a job NOT trying to piss us off. :angry:

[rowdyBostonfan]

Us Red Sox fans are happier when pissed off its feels more natural :D

[traVis y2a]

Well, I said my opinion. Cabrera isn't a bad player. You have your own opinion and I have mine as well.

[rowdyBostonfan]

I think we got some quality players. :)

but we still should of gotten Clement...

[traVis y2a]

You might be right. But I am not a big Red Sox fan, I bet you watch them more, the only reason I half-way root for them is because of how BAD I hate the Yankees.

[PissedPrincess]

MY OPINION: Anyone who thinks Cabrera and Alphabet boy are reasonable for Nomah, are either:

A: On crack

B: Should be

How's your new line-up? Can only score 1 run tonight. ONE.

What a bad, bad joke. :angry:

[PissedPrincess]

You know what? I get it now. This was the white towel. Theo gave up on this year, and decided to get some guys he can maybe trade in the off-season.

This is so pathetic I'm almost laughing instead of crying.

[traVis y2a]

You are right that they obviously don't replace the talent of Nomar, which is obviously true. But Cabrera is better defensively and since this whole Nomar/Red Sox fight has been going on, there was no other alternative. Like I said before, who would you rather have gotten? Alex Gonzalez? LMAO, if anyone wanted Gonzalez.

[PissedPrincess]

I'd have preferred to keep Nomah, and get the draft picks for him.

[rowdyBostonfan]

Well you trade Nomar for draft picks then you hurt the team more. At least we got players who can help now and in the near future. Either way you lose Nomar.

[PissedPrincess]

No you don't. You get guys next year to replace him with the money you save. And you get draft picks.

This just sucks. I am totally numb. I've cried, screamed, cried some more. I'm just empty now. :crying2:

[Liter22]

After Bensons preformance I'm gonna go to the 59th street bridge. Who wants to join me?

[PissedPrincess]

:wavey2:

On my way Vin.

[Thedatch]

i'm happy :D princess, im surprised at you! a few weeks ago you were all set telling theo to blow it up, just yesterday you told everyone you had given up on this team. theo did everything you told him to!

i love this trade not only because nomar is gone now, but because we got players who can help us in the future.

alphabet went 2-4 by the way. nomar would have popped up :D

and maybe we didnt get equal value for nomar, although we have a very different view of what equal is obviously. clement was never going to come here, there was no way. the cubs werent gonna let him go. getting draft picks for nomar is crap. that way, we get players who may, or may not help us in like 5 years.

give this some time, princess, and you'll see we did the right thing

[rowdyBostonfan]

thats the spirit except for the fact that WE FREAKING LOST TONIGHT!!!!

[imgreat95]

Suppan was far worse then this

I realize that Suppan was pretty bad for you guys, but you didn't exactly get raped in that traded. The guy the Bucs got for him has yet to put together more than 5 games played in a row due to injury.

[PissedPrincess]

Blow it up means getting prospects, not stiffs. :(

I don't think I've ever felt like this before. I feel....dead.

[Thedatch]

these people are not stiffs. give this some time, ok?

[PissedPrincess]

:angry: No goddamn it. I won't.

This was insanity. INSANITY.

Need a gun. :(

[Thedatch]

oh well

[PopTop]

I don't understand a lot of the deals that went down in the last 48 hours or so. I agree with Princess, and not just because I love her: Boston gave up more than they got back (on paper). Orlando Cabrera & Doug Mientkiewicz are not bad players, and they are both certainly improvements on defense.

But, I just think I coulda' gotten more for Nomar somehow, someway.

That said, Theo did an excellent job picking up Dave Roberts for Henri Stanley ... Stanley was an undrafted free agent signed by Houston a few years back, the Astros had to cut him in one of those 40-man roster rule thingy's, the Sox paid waiver costs to get him, so Boston had zilch invested in the guy ... To get another OF like Roberts for him is a darn good deal in my eyes.

I also don't understand what the hell the LA Dodgers are doing, just can't see that they're a better team right now than they were Friday afternoon ... Only thing I wonder about is if the Dodgers know something about Mota health-wise ... I just think they were a better team with Mota, LoDuca & Encarnacion than they will be with Penny & Finley (though I am a huge Steve Finley fan).

And the Contreras-Loaiza deal, what the hell is up with that trade? :notme: Am I missing something on the $$$ side of the trade??? Just doesn't seem like either team is necessarily upgrading by the swap unless they think a change of scenery will revitalize them both.

[Blue56]

Blow it up means getting prospects, not stiffs. :(

I don't think I've ever felt like this before. I feel....dead.


i feel the same :(

[PissedPrincess]

Pops, I agree. WTF was LA thinking?

Okay, hot rumor. A Boston sports reporter just said Nomar told Theo he had to go on the DL. Theo told him he might be traded, Nomah said, I'm fine.

I believe Nomah wanted out bad, nevertheless, they shoulda got more for Nomah or just let him stew. This was ass anine.

[PopTop]

Pretty weird stuff going on. If Nomar is hurt, Theo will come out smelling pretty sweet ... But my goodness, I could've talked the Cubs out of Glendon Rusch at least.

Then again, what do I know? I root for the Astros :hmm:
:bball:

[PissedPrincess]

Dear Lord, I coulda flashed my boobs and got more. I mean not even a prospect? :notme:

[bradyjames12001]

I will ask something, if I may. HOW MANY JOINTS WAS THEO SMOKING WHEN HE MADE THIS DEAL??? Garciaparra to the Cubbies, good for them, but all Bah-ston got when they made this deal was a shortstop who is hitting below .240 and a first baseman who is hitting .246. Mentkevicz(I cant even spell his name right) plays good defense, but his hitting has slowly declined. And how do you explain Derek Lowe staying??? Theo Epstein needs to be fired after the season and slowly burned to a stake. Just as much as Garagiola. God dammit I am so pissed off right now. When I first learned of the trade at Gameworks I immediately screamed some obscenities and got scolded for it, and I couldnt have any fun after that. I was just too pissed off.

[PopTop]

Dear Lord, I coulda flashed my boobs and got more.

:eek:

Reminds me of that thread about the "natural bra" advert a day or so ago... Makes me think I could've flashed mine and gotten more. :laff:

:no:

[Thedatch]

:eek:

Reminds me of that thread about the "natural bra" advert a day or so ago... Makes me think I could've flashed mine and gotten more. :laff:

:no:

:laff::laff::laff:

[rockin500]

Dear Lord, I coulda flashed my boobs and got more. I mean not even a prospect? :notme:
:eek:

and willie: :laff:

[PissedPrincess]

Where the hell is Barzilla?

[PissedPrincess]

Where the hell is Barzilla?

:wait:

[barzilla]

Okay, from the outside looking in I would say the positive or negative depends on a couple of things

1) Can Cabrera lift his numbers to the point where he was last season when he hit .300 and drove in nearly 100 runs in Montreal?

2) Can Mienkiewicz elevate his game in the second best lineup in the American League?

If they can do that then you get a similar amount of offense and better defense. Better defense equals better pitching. Listen, I've been about as anti-defense as just about anyone around and I still have my doubts, but Mienkiewicz rates well according to every number I've seen. The problem is that both have to produce better than what they have been. That's the whole point, if you're stuck getting on base thirty percent of the time with a .400 slugging percentage then playing Gold Glove defense doesn't help. If you can elevate that to an 800 OPS each then you justify your spot in the lineup based on the defense.

I think the biggest example of this kind of thinking is in St. Louis. They have Gold Glove quality performers in Scott Rolen, Edgar Renteria, Jim Edmonds, and Mike Matheny. With the exception of Matheny those guys are also very good offensively players. So, above average pitchers like Woody Williams, Chris Carpenter, and Jason Marquis look good while average pitchers like Jeff Suppan look solid.

Listen, I find it funny when fans complain about how sabermetricians pay too much attention to on base percentage and not enough to defense and then turn around and complain when those people acquire players to bolster the team defense. I know it is frustrating not to get "star quality" in exchange for Garciaparra, but I have some limited optimism that this will work out well for Boston.

[PissedPrincess]

Hey now. I never said I wanted defensive guys who can't hit at all.........

;)

[barzilla]

I know that Princess, I just think that many people in Boston aren't really sure what they want and that includes the management team. When I hear Theo saying things like "we had to try something" it doesn't bode very well.

I think Mienkiewicz and Cabrera should hit better than what they've shown, but I would hope that Alphabet soup is not a long term answer at first. In the interim he should be a very good defender and decent hitter.

[PissedPrincess]

Completely agree Theo and the effing Trio did a 180 on the type of ball they wanna play. They went from Moneyball, to small ball. Mid-year. Not good.

[bradyjames12001]

From a clubhouse standpoint, its a great deal. Nomar was acting stupidly and the Sox sent him on his way. From a baseball standpoint, the deal sucks. I completely agree with you, PP, they could have gotten more for him. A lot more.

[rowdyBostonfan]

What more? Whatever team got him would only be renting him for 2 months


yes more like PITCHING!!!! CLEMENT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[redsoxman]

Let it be written, let it be said: Theo & Co. are retarded.

Great trade. I'm hearing golf claps on my end.

Trade a good player for . . . what's-his-name again?

I suggest Theo try to finish puberty before he works on making blockbuster trades, or the lack thereof.

[PopTop]

If you can elevate that to an 800 OPS each then you justify your spot in the lineup based on the defense.

Just curious, but what's the minimum fielding "OPS" that a great offensive player should have to justify a spot in the lineup? Sorry, but you know me, Scott. Can't let your "pro-OPS, anti-defense" posts go without a challenge of some sort. Seriously, what's the cutoff going the other way in your mind as far as minimum defensive skills against progressively strong offense?

[awefullspellare]

I think this is the best the Red Sox were gonna get... the Cubs were gonna give up Clemet.. the Red Sox werent gonna keep Nomar and they got the defense the need. When you trade a star at mid year you wont get equal value.

[Cyberlibrarian]

I think this is the best the Red Sox were gonna get... the Cubs were gonna give up Clemet.. the Red Sox werent gonna keep Nomar and they got the defense the need. When you trade a star at mid year you wont get equal value.

DING DING DING!!! We have a winner!

[Thedatch]

i know a lot of people will complain, but nomar wasnt happy with the sox, and besides the fact that he wasnt going to come back, it makes you wonder how much effort he was putting into playing. for example, he told the team he may have to be on the DL for a few days to get his achilles rested up. then when management told nomar they had a deal in place, and asked him how he felt he said: "I'm fine now" now meaning now that hes leaving boston. you want to keep a player like that? i sure as hell dont!

[duckboy]

I can't help but think Cabrerra will be much better in Boston than Montreal. There is so much more talent around him. In Montreal there was nothing this year.

[Thedatch]

thank you!

[PissedPrincess]

I can't help but think Cabrerra will be much better in Boston than Montreal. There is so much more talent around him. In Montreal there was nothing this year.

He probably will, as I think Alphabet boy will hit better at Fenway.

Nevertheless, we got raped. And Theo didn't use Vaseline.

[Thedatch]

He probably will, as I think Alphabet boy will hit better at Fenway.

Nevertheless, we got raped. And Theo didn't use Vaseline.

ohhh, so that's why when theo gave that press conference he looked to tired. hadn't shaved, wasn't weaing a suit.

it's all clear now :D :laff:

[I Are Baboon]

Well, at least the Spankees didn't get Randy Johnson.

[PissedPrincess]

Well, at least the Spankees didn't get Randy Johnson. :evillol

Yeah huh? That woulda locked up the division for them.

:laff:


*Note to self*

If tragedy strikes, call Babs. You'll laugh regardless.

[Thedatch]

:evillol

Yeah huh? That woulda locked up the division for them.

:laff:


*Note to self*

If tragedy strikes, call Babs. You'll laugh regardless.

you mean it isn't locked up already, 9.5 games back? please. the yankees have never lost a lead as many as 6 games...what makes you think the sox can overcome 9.5 games. you'll see...the sox will scrape through with the wild card, with like 85 wins, cuz no one is good enough.

[PissedPrincess]

Datch, for Chrissakes IT WAS A GODDAMN JOKE! Hence the --->:laff: smiley.

[Thedatch]

Datch, for Chrissakes IT WAS A GODDAMN JOKE! Hence the --->:laff: smiley.

lol, its tough to read sarcasm on paper...sorry :D smily faces could be sarcastic too...

[duckboy]

He probably will, as I think Alphabet boy will hit better at Fenway.

Nevertheless, we got raped. And Theo didn't use Vaseline.

I won't argue that. I honestly think this trade should have happened earlier. I think the Garcia deal was proof that you can get more value before the day of the deadline.

It could be worse. You could've been the team that ended up signing Olerud. :loser:

[PissedPrincess]

Duck? Love ya, no need to sugarcoat this anal rape. Theo is a freakin moron. We all agree Nomah shoulda been dealt months ago.

[Thedatch]

see, i'm pretty sure theo didn't make this decision alone. i am 99.9% sure that lucchino and werner were looking over his shoulder giving him pointers...still, nomar's gone, its over...we gotta deal with it now i guess

[I Are Baboon]

*Note to self*

If tragedy strikes, call Babs. You'll laugh regardless.

If laughing at the Sox is our best medicine, we're going to live to be friggin 190 years old

[PissedPrincess]

It's laugh or cry. We are a joke, so I laugh at jokes. :)

[Thedatch]

If laughing at the Sox is our best medicine, we're going to live to be friggin 190 years old

:laff::laff::laff::laff::laff:

[rowdyBostonfan]

geez the trade wasn't that bad

We plugged a couple holes and left some unplugged like the

BULLPEN

can you tell what I am mad at yet? :D

[Thedatch]

we wont need bullpen when williamson comes back. we will be fine then

[Blue56]

And when will he come back?

[rowdyBostonfan]

And when will he come back?

and that is the question

[rowdyBostonfan]

we wont need bullpen when williamson comes back. we will be fine then

keyword when

[Thedatch]

his command is getting better. give him 1 or two more rehab outings and he will be fine

[Blue56]

i think if i heard right, the end of august or later!

[rowdyBostonfan]

I think we should all go down there and drag his ass back!!!

[barzilla]

Pops,

It depends on the position. I'm becoming a believer in Sandy's research and conclusions which means that some positions are more important than others. I think 800 should be the over and under at first but you can get away with a 700 or 750 OPS at shortstop and catcher. I think the Moneyball approach calls a pretty good guideline. When trying to replace a great player you don't have to replace it all at once at that position. So, if Mienkiewicz is a little better offensively than McCarty then Cabrera doesn't have to be as good as Nomar for everything to balance out.

I just bought the new baseball encyclopedia with the new fielding statistics. They have range and throwing as separate statistics now in addition to a new fielding runs formula that seems to work more. I will definitely be using it in the coming weeks.

[rockin500]

BTW, i guess theo gave the cubs 1 million in cash to pay for part of nomars salary. and gave us back jimmy anderson.

[Thedatch]

we have you back jimmy anderson and 1 mil? why???

[rockin500]

jim got theo drunk? :notme:

[Thedatch]

probably, after theo got raped (as princess says) they went and had a few drinks, i dunno. giving up nomar was enough...

[PissedPrincess]

ARE YOU F*CKING KIDDING ME? HE TRADED NOMAH FOR GARBAGE!!!!!!!!!!

Hey dumbass, the Sox are playing .708 ball since the trade. Maybe YOU should be fired. :evillol

[rowdyBostonfan]

Hey PP what were you thinking? :D

or maybe you weren't j/k :lol:

[I Are Baboon]

:)

[PissedPrincess]

Again, good to be wrong. So far, Theo is making me look like a fool. Hope he continues. :thumbsup:

[rowdyBostonfan]

Again, good to be wrong. So far, Theo is making me look like a fool. Hope he continues. :thumbsup:

I pity the FOOL!!!!!

[I Are Baboon]

Let's be honest, when that trade went down, it looked like SHIT on paper. We said so and every sports writer in New England said so. BUT, we are not the ones that get paid to make those decisions. GOOD THING TOO! :D

[rowdyBostonfan]

Hey I liked the trade except I thought Clement should have been included plus I was just glad to be rid of Nomar.

[PissedPrincess]

Strangely, I don't think Clement has won since the trade. I wanted him too, but Theo thought he wouldn't do well in the AL. They say he's a headcase. :notme:

BTW, the OC is hitting .452 with an 11 game hitting streak! :eek: I'm watching the noon Baseball Tonight, and dudes are like, the Red Sox pitching staff has given up far fewer HR's than the Yankees. They said look out, the Sox just may catch them! :eek:

[rockin500]

jacqui, its kinda tough to win games when you are getting 2 or 3 runs a game. He had a game won against milwaukee last week until remlinger blew up. He has had only one game where he has given up more than 4 runs this year and that was against the giants a coupla weeks ago.

BTW, he won tuesday night when he finally got some run support. (13 runs worth)

[PissedPrincess]

That's been Arroyo all year. He has the lowest run support in the AL I think.

[rockin500]

yah, matt's got the 4th lowest support in the majors.

his ERA is like 3.31, buncha strikeouts, and eats a lot of innings. He's probably got one of the best sliders in the game. especially now that he tightened the slider up so that it makes lefties look as bad as righties do against him.

his average against is damned good too. the only problem he has is that his slider is almost toooo good as it doesnt always stay in the zone, so he sometimes walks a few too many.

[I Are Baboon]

yah, matt's got the 4th lowest support in the majors.


Ray, where did you get that stat? According to ESPN.com (those assholes), Bronson Arroyo is ranked 49 with 5.21 RS/game, and Clement is 75th out of 91 with 4.29.

Derek Lowe leads MLB with a whopping 7.96 runs a game! :eek: Yet his record is one game over .500. :hmm: Give Pedro or Schilling 8 runs a game and they'd probably be undefeated, or maybe one loss.

[PissedPrincess]

LOwe was simply GOD FREAKIN AWFUL in the begining of this year. :angry:

[rockin500]

Ray, where did you get that stat? According to ESPN.com (those assholes), Bronson Arroyo is ranked 49 with 5.21 RS/game, and Clement is 75th out of 91 with 4.29.

Derek Lowe leads MLB with a whopping 7.96 runs a game! :eek: Yet his record is one game over .500. :hmm: Give Pedro or Schilling 8 runs a game and they'd probably be undefeated, or maybe one loss.
probably got those stats over the three month period where he was only getting 3 runs a game.

the first two months of the year (when he was 7-2) he had nearly 5 runs a game.

and he might get 5 runs in a game he pitches nowadays, but that doesnt account for the bullpen and the fact that while he is in a game, he is usually only getting a coupla runs a game.

somehow i doubt ESPN's numbers are the whole story

[I Are Baboon]

ESPN eats ass, but they are a necessary evil in the sports fan's life.

[rockin500]

ESPN eats ass, but they are a necessary evil in the sports fan's life.
lol you are true

[rowdyBostonfan]

Hey I like ESPN.

[PissedPrincess]

.740 ball since the trade. :eek: