Starters

[CTSoxFan]

i realized we havent talked about pitchers so i got rankings for starters,relivers, and closers.


RANK PLAYER IP W SV SO ERA WHIP
1. Mike Mussina, NYY 229 17 0 214 3.15 1.07
2. Pedro Martinez, Bos 117 7 0 163 2.39 0.93
3. Roger Clemens, NYY 220 20 0 213 3.51 1.26
4. Freddy Garcia, Sea 239 18 0 163 3.05 1.12
5. Barry Zito, Oak 214 17 0 205 3.49 1.23
6. Tim Hudson, Oak 235 18 0 181 3.37 1.22
7. Mark Mulder, Oak 229 21 0 153 3.45 1.16
8. Chan Ho Park, Tex 234 15 0 218 3.50 1.17
9. Bartolo Colon, Cle 222 14 0 201 4.09 1.39
10. C.C. Sabathia, Cle 180 17 0 171 4.39 1.35
11. Jamie Moyer, Sea 210 20 0 119 3.43 1.10
12. Mark Buehrle, ChW 221 16 0 126 3.29 1.07
13. Brad Radke, Min 226 15 0 137 3.94 1.15
14. Kevin Appier, Ana 207 11 0 172 3.57 1.19
15. Andy Pettitte, NYY 201 15 0 164 3.99 1.32
16. Jeff Weaver, Det 229 13 0 152 4.08 1.32
17. Aaron Sele, Ana 215 15 0 114 3.60 1.24
18. Eric Milton, Min 221 15 0 157 4.32 1.28
19. John Burkett, Bos 219 12 0 187 3.04 1.17
20. Roy Halladay, Tor 105 5 0 96 3.16 1.16
21. Joe Mays, Min 234 17 0 123 3.16 1.15
22. Chris Carpenter, Tor 216 11 0 157 4.09 1.41
23. Joel Pineiro, Sea 75 6 0 56 2.03 0.94
24. Dustin Hermanson, Bos 192 14 0 123 4.45 1.39
25. David Wells, NYY 101 5 0 59 4.47 1.40
26. Cory Lidle, Oak 188 13 0 118 3.59 1.15
27. Ramon Ortiz, Ana 209 13 0 135 4.36 1.43
28. Rick Reed, Min 202 12 0 142 4.05 1.20
29. Paul Abbott, Sea 163 17 0 118 4.25 1.42
30. Derek Lowe, Bos 92 5 24 82 3.63 1.43
31. Jarrod Washburn, Ana 193 11 0 126 3.77 1.29
32. James Baldwin, Sea 175 10 0 95 4.58 1.45
33. Danys Baez, Cle 50 5 0 52 2.50 1.07
34. Todd Ritchie, ChW 207 11 0 124 4.47 1.27
35. Erik Hiljus, Oak 66 5 0 67 3.41 1.38
36. Tanyon Sturtze, Tam 195 11 1 110 4.42 1.43
37. Ismael Valdes, Tex 164 9 0 100 4.45 1.39
38. Tim Wakefield, Bos 169 9 3 148 3.90 1.36
39. Orlando Hernandez, NYY 95 4 0 77 4.85 1.39
40. Steve Sparks, Det 232 14 0 116 3.69 1.33
41. Paul Wilson, Tam 151 8 0 119 4.88 1.43
42. Jose Rosado, KC 0 0 0 0 0.00 0.00
43. Sidney Ponson, Bal 138 5 0 84 4.94 1.43
44. John Halama, Sea 110 10 0 50 4.73 1.42
45. Chuck Finley, Cle 114 8 0 96 5.54 1.46
46. Ryan Drese, Cle 31 1 0 23 3.45 1.28
47. Jeff Suppan, KC 218 10 0 120 4.37 1.38
48. Kenny Rogers, Tex 121 5 0 74 6.19 1.65
49. Sterling Hitchcock, NYY 70 6 0 43 5.63 1.56
50. Josh Towers, Bal 140 8 0 58 4.55 1.29
51. Frank Castillo, Bos 137 10 0 89 4.21 1.27
52. Jason Johnson, Bal 196 10 0 114 4.09 1.38
53. Jon Garland, ChW 117 6 1 61 3.69 1.51
54. Brandon Lyon, Tor 56 4 0 30 4.69 1.31
55. Paul Byrd, KC 103 6 0 52 4.44 1.41
56. Nate Cornejo, Det 43 4 0 22 7.38 2.13
57. Dave Burba, Tex 151 10 0 118 6.21 1.61
58. Scott Schoeneweis, Ana 205 10 0 104 5.08 1.48
59. Mark Redman, Det 58 2 0 33 4.50 1.57
60. Jose Lima, Det 166 6 0 84 5.54 1.42
61. Rick Bauer, Bal 33 0 0 16 4.64 1.33
62. Dan Wright, ChW 52 3 0 28 6.40 1.87
63. Luke Prokopec, Tor 138 8 0 91 4.88 1.34
64. Joe Kennedy, Tam 118 7 0 78 4.44 1.33
65. Esteban Loaiza, Tor 190 11 0 110 5.02 1.47
66. Chad Durbin, KC 179 9 0 95 4.93 1.45
67. Jim Parque, ChW 28 0 0 15 8.04 1.64
68. Nick Bierbrodt, Tam 84 5 0 73 5.55 1.65
69. Jaret Wright, Cle 29 2 0 18 6.52 2.00
70. Ryan Rupe, Tam 143 5 0 123 6.59 1.46

[CTSoxFan]

their is one thing i disagree with, i think pedro is a better pitcher than Mussina, but i think ESPN,put him down due to injuries, so my top ten is:
1.pedro martinez
2.mike mussina
3.Roger clemens
4.freddie Garcia
5.mike mulder
6.tim hudson
7.barry zito
8.Chan Ho park
9.CC sabathia
10.Aaron Sele

sleepers:John burkett,Jamie moyer,david wells

[GiveHyzduashot]

Be wary of CC ... the Indians worked him a lot last season for a rookie and a down season is a good possibility.

[amag]

Let someone else take CC in an early pick. Maybe he's established that he's a good capable Major League pitcher, which he is, but I think he is going to be overvaluead for what he does. And a late-season wear down or injury would not be impossible.

I wouln't rate Chan Ho Park so high. Although I don't have the numbers on the top of my head, he pitched much better at home last year than on the road. He is now moving to a very hitter-friendly Ballpark in Arlington and I would beware. Again not that he'd be really bad, but I guess an Aaron Sele year would be the norm. A 4.40 era and 14 or so wins. Good, but not top-ten quality imo.

And I think Lowe could have a great year. He's possibly the best groundball pitcher in baseball and if he can handle the workload of a starter (which he shoudlt have too much trouble with considering how he was used in the past) he could have a mid-3 or lower ERA. I definitley wouldn't rank him in the top ten though.

[Michlee60]

Id feel more comfortable with Hudson over Mulder and Zito because he has proven himself over a few years. Both Zito and Mulder performed well last year, but especially in Mulder's case, his numbers were never that impressive until last year... I'm not saying he isnt for real, but I would move Hudson above him only because hes a safer pick which is one of the keys in pitchers

[Baseball Guru]

Ok, definitely agree with Pedro as your #1 and Moose at #2...I had Moose last year and he was great...If they Yankees only scored more when he pitched he should have won 20.....Strikes out a lot of batters also...
I also would take Hudson over Mulder and Zito but would feel pretty good getting any of the 3....But if all 3 were available I would take Hudson...
Also agree with amag as I am always very weary of Cleveland pitchers...Yes CC was good last season but with a fat new contract I am betting he wont dupklicate those #'s.....
Chan Ho....Hmmmmm, I think I'd rather have Pettitte, Appier or even Sele before him...
Amag, you are correct with your statement that he did pitch much, much better in the pitching friendly confines of Dodger stadium last year.....Personally I think he will have an off year in Texas...High era....Just a gut feeling I have about him....Overpaid IMO:biggrin:

[GiveHyzduashot]

Watch Danys Baez too. He posted more than a K/IP last year and he's moving into the rotation. Very low ERA also. 13 wins, 3.20 ERA, 120-140 strikeouts is a good possibility. And he should go cheap, too. I can't see him being picked until round 13 at least.

[amag]

Wow... awesome pick you made there. I thought about including him with my list of sleepers but was unsure if the job is all his. People are going to look him and his last year stats... looking at him as a releiver/starter but you are very right that he should have a starters job this year. I never even thought of that!!!

I think 1 top 10 pitcher should be on the team... like the top 10 guys we have been talking about, and after that, fill up with Sp's I suggested in the Lima plan thread. Maybe get 2 top 10's if you can, but I think if you get 1 top 10 guy and about 5 guys from the host of LIMA cantidates your starting pitching would be really solid. It would also allow you to spend some quality draft time getting the top tier hitters.

Does that sound like a solid strategy?

[GiveHyzduashot]

Well amag, it depends on the starter and who the LIMA pitchers are. If the pitcher is someone who can have a 3.50- ERA, it wouldn't be a bad plan. But over 3.50, we better take our chances on proven veterans rather than the Kevin Willises of the world.

[Baseball Guru]

Good call on Danys Baez Josh:biggrin:

We need to get together within the next week as the draft is less than 2 weeks away...

[Michlee60]

James-

Just set a time now and then people can say if its ok for them... If not, then we can work from there. But the sooner a date and time is set, the better.