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Baseball Guru
06-24-2001, 04:50 PM
Not like I haven't posted things about Walter before but it's been awhile so I though I'd refresh everyones memory on the greatest pitcher to ever take to the mound...:biggrin:

"In the 1924 World Series, Bill Dinneen, the umpire, confessed to me that Walter was so fast that he was doing some lively guessing on where the ball crossed or didn't cross the plate. That's a big admission for an umpire. I didn't tell Bill to get his eyes open. I was having enough trouble with Walter's speed myself." -Muddy Ruel, 1924 Washington Senators Catcher.
There have been many great pitchers throughout the history of baseball. Lefty Grove, Christy Mathewson, Grover Cleveland Alexander, Warren Spahn, heck even Greg Maddux. But, none were the calibar pitcher that Walter Johnson was. He was, bar none, the fastest pitcher ever to step onto a mound. Grove had great control and was extremely fast, but Johnson was still faster. Mathewson and Maddux each have great control, but Johnson was faster. What separates Walter from his peers in his era was that he pitched in the powerful American League. Johnson pitched to many great hitters the NL never faced, Ty Cobb, Tris Speaker, "Shoeless" Joe Jackson, George Sisler, Nap Lajoie, Eddie Collins, and Home Run Baker to name a few.

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In 1907, Walter Johnson made a name for himself as a high school standout in his home state of Idaho. One reporter spotted his pitching talent and stated, "This Walter Johnson has a pitch that is faster than Amos Rusie's and control that is better than Mathewson's. He throws so fast you can't see'em, and he knows where he is throwing, because if he didn't, there would be dead bodies all over Idaho." He was then about ready to sign with the Pittsburgh Pirates, but was refused a $9 signing bonus. He signed with the Senators and agreed to terms that the ballclub would pay his way back home if he didn't make in the Major Leagues. On August 2nd, 1907 he made his Major League debut against the Tigers, throwing a 5-hitter, but still lost 3-2. Before the game, Tiger hitters poked fun at the lanky right-hander. Ty Cobb, however, scouted him out in his warmups and stated "Have everybody stand deep in the box today. This farmer throws out of his hip pocket so fast that you can't follow it."
In Cobb's first at bat against Johnson, he learned that the long, lanky right-hander with a slingshot delivery was the fastest pitcher he had ever seen, by far. He then relied on the bunt to reach base on Johnson and the rookie misplayed them. After the game, Cobb remarked to Tiger owner Frank Navin, "Get this kid even if he costs you twenty-five thousand dollars. That's the best arm I've ever seen. He's so fast it scared me. When he learns a curve nobody can stop him." Navin refused to buy Johnson and it turned out to be a big mistake. As Cobb noted later on "All he did for the next twenty years was beat Detroit."

Throughout the entire Dead Ball Era, Johnson's ERA was above 2.00 only twice (1909 and 1917) and in 1913 Johnson won the AL MVP with an incredible record of 36-7, an ERA of 1.14, and 11 shutouts. He also pitched 56 consecutive scoreless innings that year, a record which stood until 1968 when Don Drysdale broke it. In 1910 and 1912, Johnson fanned over 300 hitters, and from 1910-1915 fanned over 200 hitters. He also had seven straight seasons with an ERA under 2.00 from 1910-1916 and three times in that span had an ERA under 1.40 (1.36 in 1910, 1.39 in 1912, and 1.14 in 1913). He won his 2nd American League MVP award in 1924 with a 23-7 record, an ERA of 2.72, and 6 shutouts. That year the Washington Senators won their 1st American League pennant and headed to the World Series.

In 1924, Walter Johnson and his Senators finally won a World Series, but it took a genuine Walter Johnson effort to pull off the World Series victory. He lost twice to the Giants, but his team fought their way to a 3-3 Series tie heading into a final Game 7. With Game 7 tied up in the 8th inning, the Senators brought in Johnson as a reliever. He pitched four scoreless innings of relief and the Senators won Game 7 by a score of 4-3 in twelve innings. A year later, in 1925, the Senators returned to the World Series and Johnson won two games against the Pirates. However, he gave up four unearned runs in his final game and the Pirates beat the Senators.

When Johnson retired, his numbers and rankings were simply incredible. He won 417 games, 2nd all-time to Cy Young (511 wins). He finished with a career ERA of 2.17, seventh best all-time, with 3,509 strikeouts. He is 5th all-time in complete games with 531, and third in innings pitched with 5,923. His most astonishing feat is a record 110 shutouts. He also led the AL in ERA five times, and had an ERA under 2.00 eleven times. He led the AL in strikeouts twelve times, led the AL in shutouts seven times, and led the AL in wins six times. One of the most remarkable things about Johnson was of his 279 career losses, 27 of them were losses by a score of 1-0 and 65 of them were losses in which his team was shutout.

Lefty Grove once stated, "I think Johnson was the greatest that I ever saw, and his curve was faster than Feller's fastball." 1927 was Johnson's final year, and retired after that season from an injury to his leg from being hit during batting practice. He tried to pitch again with an iron brace, but didn't have much success. In 1936, Johnson was rewarded for his fabulous career by being inducted into the National Baseball Hall of Fame along with Ty Cobb, Honus Wagner, Babe Ruth, and Christy Mathewson. He died in 1946.

Baseball Guru
02-21-2002, 05:09 AM
$9 Shawn, $9!!!
For a lousy $9 he could have been the greatest Pirates pitcher ever.....:uhoh:
Then he may have been your favorite.....;)

Baseball Guru
02-21-2002, 05:14 AM
Lifetime Statistics

Career Statistics for Walter Johnson
B: R, T: R, BORN: 11/6/1887


Career pitching statistics

YR W L PCT G SV IP H R ER TBB SO ERA
1907 5 9 .357 14 0 110.1 100 35 23 20 71 1.88
1908 14 14 .500 36 1 257.1 194 77 47 53 160 1.64
1909 13 25 .342 40 1 297.0 247 112 73 84 164 2.21
1910 25 17 .595 45 1 373.2 269 92 56 76 313 1.35
1911 25 13 .658 40 1 323.1 292 117 68 70 207 1.89
1912 33 12 .733 50 2 368.0 259 89 57 76 303 1.39
1913 36 7 .837 48 2 346.0 232 56 44 38 243 1.14
1914 28 18 .609 51 1 371.2 287 88 71 74 225 1.72
1915 27 13 .675 47 4 336.2 258 83 58 56 203 1.55
1916 25 20 .556 48 1 371.0 290 105 78 82 228 1.89
1917 23 16 .590 47 3 328.0 248 105 80 68 188 2.20
1918 23 13 .639 39 3 325.0 241 71 46 70 162 1.27
1919 20 14 .588 39 2 290.1 235 73 48 51 147 1.49
1920 8 10 .444 21 3 143.2 135 68 50 27 78 3.13
1921 17 14 .548 35 1 264.0 265 122 103 92 143 3.51
1922 15 16 .484 41 4 280.0 283 115 93 99 105 2.99
1923 17 12 .586 43 4 261.1 265 112 101 69 130 3.48
1924 23 7 .767 38 0 277.2 233 97 84 77 158 2.72
1925 20 7 .741 30 0 229.0 211 95 78 78 108 3.07
1926 15 16 .484 33 0 261.2 259 120 105 73 125 3.61
1927 5 6 .455 18 0 107.2 113 70 61 26 48 5.10

Totals: 417 279 .599 803 34 5923.1 4916 1902 1424 1359 3509 2.16

YR TEAM LG GS CG ShO GF BFP SH SF HR TBB IBB HB WP BK
1907 Was AL 12 11 2 2 0 12 0 0 20 0 2 4 0
1908 Was AL 30 23 6 6 0 24 0 0 53 0 11 13 1
1909 Was AL 36 27 4 3 0 38 0 0 84 0 15 12 0
1910 Was AL 42 38 8 3 0 35 0 0 76 0 13 21 0
1911 Was AL 37 36 6 3 0 29 0 0 70 0 12 17 0
1912 Was AL 37 34 7 13 0 13 0 0 76 0 16 11 0
1913 Was AL 36 29 11 11 0 19 0 0 38 0 9 2 0
1914 Was AL 40 33 9 9 0 32 0 0 74 0 11 14 1
1915 Was AL 39 35 7 8 0 25 0 0 56 0 19 7 0
1916 Was AL 38 36 3 10 0 39 0 0 82 0 9 9 0
1917 Was AL 34 30 8 13 0 31 0 0 68 0 12 7 0
1918 Was AL 29 29 8 10 0 34 0 0 70 0 8 8 0
1919 Was AL 29 27 7 10 0 24 0 0 51 0 7 4 1
1920 Was AL 15 12 4 6 0 13 0 0 27 0 5 5 1
1921 Was AL 32 25 1 2 0 18 0 0 92 0 2 7 0
1922 Was AL 31 23 4 9 0 29 0 0 99 0 7 3 0
1923 Was AL 35 18 3 8 0 27 0 0 69 0 20 2 0
1924 Was AL 38 20 6 0 0 20 0 0 77 0 10 4 0
1925 Was AL 29 16 3 1 0 15 0 0 78 0 7 1 2
1926 Was AL 33 22 2 0 0 37 0 0 73 0 5 2 0
1927 Was AL 15 7 1 2 0 20 0 0 26 0 7 1 0

TOTALS 667 531 110 129 0 534 0 0 1359 0 207 154 6

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Baseball Guru
11-06-2003, 10:35 AM
Seeing how today is the day Walter was born I am bumping this thread up so some of the newer peeps can get a little more info on the greatest pitcher of alltime:thumbsup:

Happy Birthday Walter:birthday:

Durango53
11-06-2003, 10:55 AM
He was the greatest pitcher of all time and to hear TY Cobb saying what he did about the Big Train just proves that.

What I would to to see some of the old timers play in there prime.

Baseball Guru
11-06-2003, 11:01 AM
What I would to to see some of the old timers play in there prime.

Me too Durango,....

I wish I had a time machine:)

Nanner
11-06-2003, 11:13 AM
Wouldn't that be great to see that? Real "Field Of Dreams" stuff.

HAPPY BIRTHDAY, WALTER JOHNSON!! :thumbsup:

PopTop
11-06-2003, 09:41 PM
Originally posted by Baseball Guru
"In the 1924 World Series, Bill Dinneen, the umpire, confessed to me that Walter was so fast that he was doing some lively guessing on where the ball crossed or didn't cross the plate. That's a big admission for an umpire. I didn't tell Bill to get his eyes open. I was having enough trouble with Walter's speed myself." -Muddy Ruel, 1924 Washington Senators Catcher.

:eek: Queue the theme to the Twilight Zone!

I was just thinking of former ump Ron Luciano today about how he said he went and had his eyes checked after he called his first game with Nolan Ryan pitching ... He said he the ball literally was in Ryan's hand on the mound one instant and "exploding" into the catcher's mitt the next ... He joked about calling Ryan's pitches on sound instead of sight, "sounded high" or "sounded low" :laughing

Trots
11-06-2003, 10:15 PM
I saw that today was Big Train's b-day and I figured James took the day off from work. Was that holiday or personal time, J? Hope you enjoyed your day off.

Baseball Guru
11-07-2003, 04:58 AM
lol....I just happend to be off today;)