Some fo tonights chat.....

[Baseball Guru]

JamesMetFan1: that is later after we fix the problem
RotoRascal: yup
JJLSPORT23: right
tscbill5: Nate and I are on pretty good terms again
tscbill5: we're just pretty much working out some details
QSP NATE: for now =-O
abbenoid: so... is the old trade being undone?
QSP NATE: But the fact is, there is only 2 solutions and it is not going to happen
QSP NATE: #1, RI and my trade is reverces, or Smelly trades me JD for Alfy.
JamesMetFan1: you guys keep talking, I'll be right back....trying to get Karl in here....
abbenoid: he got aol???
JamesMetFan1: Lee cant make it
JamesMetFan1: no, but he should be able to get AIM
QSP NATE: reversed..I can spell
abbenoid: o
JamesMetFan1: guys, the main point of this league is for us to have fun...most peopel I have talked to have stressed this
JamesMetFan1: everyone here has known one another fo a bit now and we should trust each other to a point and be honorable
JamesMetFan1: agreed??
QSP NATE: It is not fun when you are getting screwed
QSP NATE: Agree
JJLSPORT23: agreed
JamesMetFan1: Bill, Corey, Don, amag??
seahawk99ca: agreed
JamesMetFan1: you guys awake there??
RotoRascal: definitely agreed
seahawk99ca: yeah
JamesMetFan1: :-)
abbenoid: agreed
JJLSPORT23: hey nate, don't complain too loudly about being screwed ... i was screwed with manny for nixon and burks, and the only people i said anything to are bill and paul
JJLSPORT23: everyone is screwed on a trade sometime or another, just take it in stride and move on
JamesMetFan1: exactly]
seahawk99ca: so what is the agenda for this here chat
QSP NATE: That was not the case here
JJLSPORT23: i am sure you were on the positive end of the trade more than a few times
JamesMetFan1: everyone needs to do their homework before agreeing to a trade
seahawk99ca: yup
tscbill5: agreed
JamesMetFan1: I never do a trade unless I am sure I want to do it
JamesMetFan1: very rarely will anyone ever offer me a trade and I say YEAH
JamesMetFan1: I look into everything
QSP NATE: If I trade Alfy for JD and JD gets hurt in ST, that is my problem. But i did a trade that I did not want to do, based on him telling me he would trade for Alfy
tscbill5: I've never seen Nate get ripped off before...
RotoRascal: That's why you got to make it a 3-way trade...
JamesMetFan1: http://baseballreference.com/
QSP NATE: I dont get ripped off
JamesMetFan1: anyone ever go to that site??
tscbill5: he always comes out with the better end one way or another
JJLSPORT23: you don't make a deal hinging on being able to trade someone
JamesMetFan1: agreed Josh
QSP NATE: So I should be punnished for being a good negotiator?
tscbill5: I got Burks and Reed assuming I could trade them
JJLSPORT23: i go to baseball-reference.com often, james
JamesMetFan1: always make sure, you want ot pull off the trade in case plan B doesn't go thru
tscbill5: still workin on that though
JamesMetFan1: that site is great right Josh
JJLSPORT23: yes it is
JamesMetFan1: I use it all the time to look up stats
JJLSPORT23: hell i traded for aubrey huff assuming i could trade him and he's still in my roster
QSP NATE: Did someone tell you they wanted Burks and Reed and tell you to make the trade so you could trade them to that team?
JamesMetFan1: just a helpful hint for those that didnt know about it
QSP NATE: I didnt trade for alfy hoping that I could trade him.
RotoRascal: People change their minds. That's why you do the three way deal...
QSP NATE: I traded for alfy because I was told I COULD trade him
QSP NATE: It was not a 3 way deal.
tscbill5: This whole problem would have been awarded had rototimes.com been up and running.... I've never heard of baseball-refrence.com its good to have a back up site... but its a little to laye now
QSP NATE: I trusted our COMISH and that is where the problem starts
tscbill5: I wanted Alfonzo
JJLSPORT23: nate, if i take on two players i know i cannot keep, you can be sure i will be 99% positive i have a trade in place for them
tscbill5: and I still do
QSP NATE: If that was the case, I would have kept Walker. He has more trade value than Alfy
QSP NATE: I was 99% positive
tscbill5: I just don't want to give up my best player for him if he's not DL
QSP NATE: I wish people would know what happened before they blame me
RotoRascal: Sorry - tell us the story
JJLSPORT23: and that's the problem, nate has too many solid keepers to take on an average one
QSP NATE: If alfy qualifies at DL this would not be an issue
seahawk99ca: CAN I MAKE A COMMENT
QSP NATE: sure
JamesMetFan1: yes Don
tscbill5: yep
seahawk99ca: GEEK AND I HAD OUR TROUBLES OVER A PROPOSED DEAL
JJLSPORT23: everyone can make a comment, that's the purpose of thsi chat to work things out
QSP NATE: what was the deal?
seahawk99ca: GUYS LETS STOP THIS
seahawk99ca: SAY WE ARE ALL SORRY
seahawk99ca: REVERSE THE DEAL
QSP NATE: FINE WITH ME
seahawk99ca: START FROM SQUARE ONE
seahawk99ca: ITS NOT WORTH IT
QSP NATE: Talk to Pjad
JJLSPORT23: if i'm not sorry for anything, i don't think i should have to apologize
seahawk99ca: WHAT IS ON THE LINE HERE $0.00
JamesMetFan1: I agree, but I dont want this happening again...that needs to be worked out
JJLSPORT23: and the deal shouldn't be reversed ... compensation yes, reversed no ... nate confirmed it regardless of anything else
abbenoid: If pdaj says it can be reversed, than why not?
JJLSPORT23: i found out 5 minutes after i made the ramirez trade burks wasn't DL eligible, i didn't complain about it i just took it in stride
QSP NATE: JJ are you pjad?
JJLSPORT23: no i'm not
RotoRascal: No PDAJ is some Spanish thing...
QSP NATE: jad daj whats the diff
RotoRascal: He has mastered the DL list and has used it to his advantage on several trades.
seahawk99ca: pdaj is razzle dazzle
QSP NATE: Yea
JamesMetFan1: pdaj is Paul
seahawk99ca: James are we talking about other league issues ie draft etc
QSP NATE: Pdaj will not revese it. He stole LARRY WALKER
RotoRascal: He got Flash Gordon from me early (whatever site we were using before Rototimes failed to remind me that Flash was on DL at start of the year). I got "taken". You know what, I learned my lesson and I moved on....
QSP NATE: That is not what happened here
RotoRascal: Story?
JamesMetFan1: yeah we can talk about that...I just want to clear the air here first
JJLSPORT23: the same thing happened with me with burks
JJLSPORT23: like roto i moved on too
QSP NATE: I did my homework.
JamesMetFan1: we can talk about an issues youwant but the main purpose is to get things straightend out
RotoRascal: Lets hear Nate's story...
JJLSPORT23: it's ridiculous this is two weeks after this happened and we are still trying to figure it out
QSP NATE: OK.
QSP NATE: All ready?
JamesMetFan1: the trade wnet down like 3 days ago
tscbill5: yep
QSP NATE: Smeely feel free to interupt
JamesMetFan1: k, lets go
seahawk99ca: heres another site that up date injuries every 24 hrs..or sooner...... www.purebaseball.com
tscbill5: No I'll let you go straight through
QSP NATE: RI (pjad) offered me Alfy and Boone (dl) for Walker
QSP NATE: I thought about it and declined
QSP NATE: next morning mt and RI are chatting and Bill IM's me that he is going to offer JD (dl) for Alfy
QSP NATE: RI declines the offer.
QSP NATE: I tell Bill that i can get ALFY but need to know that he wants Alfy from me
QSP NATE: He starts calling me a lier and that I ws trying to **** with him
RotoRascal: Huh... did we skip a step here...
abbenoid: yeah really
QSP NATE: ????????
RotoRascal: Oh, I get it. Sorry.
QSP NATE: amag?
abbenoid: is there something in between the last 2 things you said?
QSP NATE: nope
abbenoid: You told him you could get alfonzo and he's mad?
QSP NATE: he didnt believe me
tscbill5: I was trying to avoid a
abbenoid: oh okay
tscbill5: negotiate a tarde with me
tscbill5: and worry about getting Alfonzo later
tscbill5: which was thr problem I saw
tscbill5: didn't see this coming though
tscbill5: carry on...
QSP NATE: I told Bill that i did not want alfy and would only do the deal with RI if I knew he wanted Alfy
QSP NATE: He still did not believe me.
QSP NATE: RI had to go and wanted me to post the Walker for Alfy deal.
QSP NATE: I told him that i needed to make sure i would not get stuck with Alfy
QSP NATE: That is when I posted it as a 3 way trade, even though it was 2 differant 2 team trades
tscbill5: permission to say something...
QSP NATE: sure
JamesMetFan1: yep
tscbill5: Well just one difference here...
QSP NATE: I posted it as a 3 way to protect myself and show Bill that i was not ****ing with him
QSP NATE: go ahead
tscbill5: when I talked Pdaj later I was told that Nate had agreed to the trade and told him that the server was slow and he was gonna need some time to post it
tscbill5: and Pdaj had to run and left thinking the deal was done no matter what
QSP NATE: Pdaj knew that I wanted to work something out with Bill first
QSP NATE: I was very clear
tscbill5: Well we'll have to see what he says about that
RotoRascal: Posting as a 3-way trade seems like the right way to go, requiring all three owners to confirm. NO DEAL IS DONE UNTIL ALL INVOLVED OWNERS CONFIRM ON THE BOARD. This seems simple.

[Baseball Guru]

JamesMetFan1: was it posted as a 3 way though??
tscbill5: yeah but Nate and I had hardly begun negotiations
tscbill5: I hadn't excepted anything
tscbill5: we weren't even close at that point
RotoRascal: That's fine... no deal should have occurred.
QSP NATE: The deal that i posted was close but smelly didnt want to agree
tscbill5: he was working on low balling me
QSP NATE: true
abbenoid: what??? all you had to do was decline
tscbill5: I did
abbenoid: k
QSP NATE: All cought up now?
JamesMetFan1: so if there was no confirmation by all 3 parties then the deal should be null and void
RotoRascal: If it was posted as two separate posts, then there was the "procedural" mistake made by Nate. MLB clubs lose players all the time for failing to follow the rules...
JJLSPORT23: the thing i still don't understand is why nate confirmed the trade if there wasn't even a deal between bill and himself
RotoRascal: Was it posted as two posts, or one "3-way" post
JJLSPORT23: i believe it was posted as a three way
QSP NATE: 3 way was first
QSP NATE: that fell through
JJLSPORT23: did bill, nate, and paul confirm it?
JamesMetFan1: Nate and Pjad and Smelly make trade Nate Dogg trades Larry Walker to Pjad Pjad Trades Edgardo Alfonzo to Nate Arron Boone (dl) to Nate Smelly trades Drew (dl) to Nate Biggio to Nate Nate Trades Alfy and 5th round pick to Smelly
QSP NATE: RI did not want to be in the 3 way
QSP NATE: Bill did not wnat to give up Biggio
tscbill5: Nate, the reason I wanted to see proof was because we were far off from making a deal and I didn't want to spend alot more time negotiating if you weren't gonna be able to get be able to get Alfonzo
JamesMetFan1: brb
QSP NATE: I did not want to do a deal with RI until we had our deal though
JamesMetFan1: Karl is on the way
KingFishKarl has entered the room.
JJLSPORT23: nate, then why did you confirm it?
QSP NATE: HI Fish
JamesMetFan1: ok, everyone be good...Daddy is home
KingFishKarl: Hey
QSP NATE: I took Smelly on his word
RotoRascal: Welcome Fish!
JJLSPORT23: hey karl ... givehyzduashot
JamesMetFan1: Karl, that yellow is horrible
RotoRascal: RI doesn't confirm 3-way. So you then posted an individual deal with RI and Smelly backed out.
RotoRascal: What "word" did Smelly give...
JJLSPORT23: i took paul's word burks was DL eligible and was screwed ... same situation with you and smelly
RotoRascal: RotoRascal is Rotogeek by the way, Karl...
KingFishKarl: k
QSP NATE: Smelly said to get Alfy first and we would work out the details on the JD And Biggio for Alfy and ???
tscbill5: I gave him my word we would negotiate when I got back
tscbill5: I tried that, he wouldn't have it
RotoRascal: Sorry Nate, you shouldn't have pulled the deal...
QSP NATE: I should not have trusted the COMISH?????
QSP NATE: who can we trust then?
KingFishKarl: 3 ways are a bear to work out
RotoRascal: Trust is a bad choice of words here.
JJLSPORT23: nate, the commish isn't held to any higher standards than the other 19 owners ... his word is just as important as anyone else's
KingFishKarl: I concur
QSP NATE: Trust is the word. I had to trust him
KingFishKarl: there was no agreed deal though?
tscbill5: I tried to negotiate with you, but if one player wasn't invloved then you didn't want to
QSP NATE: He said to get Alfy and then we would finalize the deal
JamesMetFan1: I agree Corey
QSP NATE: We are not there yet
abbenoid: Would it have been fine with pdaj to delay his deal?
JJLSPORT23: everyone should have enough trust in each other, you shouldn't have to fall back and say he's the commish so his word is the way to go
JamesMetFan1: do you think we should have an outside commish??
tscbill5: right there is my attempt to honor my word
JamesMetFan1: someone not in the league??
QSP NATE: Hold on.
QSP NATE: too many people
KingFishKarl: An independent is always preferred but tough to find
tscbill5: that'd be intresting, but they'd ahve to have the power to be in the Yahoo! league
JamesMetFan1: just throwing out ideas here
QSP NATE: to this point............
RotoRascal: Nate - this is similar to why Don(Seahawk) got mad at me... we negotiated a deal over PM, but by posting time, I changed my mind. Until its posted, its just talk... There's no crying or promising in Fantasy Baseball :-)
JamesMetFan1: how do you mean??
KingFishKarl: I'm wondering if an independent Monitor of the board is more appropriate?
JJLSPORT23: how could we do that, james??? and who would it be??? they'd have to be in the yahoo league, the maximum number of teams is 20, there are 20 teams already
RotoRascal: I'm sure that TSC wasn't trying to screw you over, he just hadn't worked out a deal.
QSP NATE: Smelly said to get Alfy and we would finalize the detais of our trade. Right Bill?????
JamesMetFan1: do they have to have a team to be the commish??
abbenoid: ::ahem:: would pdaj have been fine with delaying his trade? that could have saved everything
JamesMetFan1: thats what I'm not sure on
JJLSPORT23: in yahoo, yes they do
JJLSPORT23: the commish holds a team
JamesMetFan1: oh ok, then that wouldnt work...wasnt sure
QSP NATE: yep
tscbill5: It was a matter of failing technology and miscommunication
seahawk99ca: BACK
KingFishKarl: tsounds about right to me
QSP NATE: http://baseballreference.com
QSP NATE: oops
JamesMetFan1: I agree with the whole its not a deal until both parties confirm
tscbill5: I wanted proof that a deal was done and awaiting the outcome of ours
QSP NATE: Smelly said to get Alfy and we would finalize the detais of our trade. Right Bill?????
seahawk99ca: that was the conclusion with Geek and I
JamesMetFan1: negotiating is fine until the deal is doen and confirmed
abbenoid: So what now? Do you undo the trade with Pdaj or work one out between you guys?
JamesMetFan1: it is all talk
KingFishKarl: Is there anyway it could still be worked out?
abbenoid: yeah
tscbill5: I said we'd finish up our negotiations when I had proof
KingFishKarl: and?
QSP NATE: This is where the problem is.
tscbill5: proof means wait til Pdaj gets back
KingFishKarl: sounds right
tscbill5: just to give me the word that the deal was done
QSP NATE: Noo you said you wanted to see that it was posted and confirmed
QSP NATE: A Done deal
KingFishKarl: isn't that proof?
tscbill5: what was our deal then?
JJLSPORT23: a confirmed trade is proff
JJLSPORT23: proof rather
JamesMetFan1: Bill, did you confirm??
KingFishKarl: yes
tscbill5: how did you have my word on a deal? if we never had one?
QSP NATE: That if I proved to you that I had Alfy, we could finalize the JD (dl) and Biggio for Alfy and ??picks
JamesMetFan1: I dont see a confirmation from Bill on this deal
KingFishKarl: neither do I
JamesMetFan1: unless I deleted it
JamesMetFan1: dont remember
JamesMetFan1: I am looking at it now
QSP NATE: It never was posted.
tscbill5: Nope
QSP NATE: it didnt get that fat
KingFishKarl: twell
QSP NATE: fat
JamesMetFan1: Paul never actually confirmed either
QSP NATE: far
JamesMetFan1: fat?? whos fat??
JamesMetFan1: :-D
tscbill5: my dog
JJLSPORT23: mo vaughn
JamesMetFan1: HEY!!!>:o
tscbill5: him too
KingFishKarl: I'm going with Mo
seahawk99ca: i lost 15 lbs but still fat
JamesMetFan1: watch it Josh
abbenoid: paul is pdaj?
JamesMetFan1: lol Don
JJLSPORT23: sorry, couldn't resist with you being a mets fan
JamesMetFan1: yes Amag
JJLSPORT23: paul is pdaj, eys
abbenoid: and paul never confirmed?
JamesMetFan1: amag, quick question
QSP NATE: Paul confirmed
JamesMetFan1: real name???
abbenoid: Abben
JamesMetFan1: no, he posted but didnt confirm
JamesMetFan1: Abben, cool
abbenoid: JamesMetFan1: Paul never actually confirmed either
KingFishKarl: hmmmm
tscbill5: he confirmed in the nate, pday 2 tewam deal
tscbill5: pdaj
tscbill5: team
QSP NATE: not the 3 way, just RI and Nate
JamesMetFan1: well I guess he kinda did..
abbenoid: k
abbenoid: would it be impossible to undo that first deal?
QSP NATE: ???????
abbenoid: with pdaj
JamesMetFan1: how many threads for this deal went down??
abbenoid: 2 i beleive
QSP NATE: It was confirmed my both teams
JJLSPORT23: paul would have to agree to it and there's no way he does agree to it
KingFishKarl: one too many
tscbill5: He posted and Nate confirmed
tscbill5: It'd be upto Pdaj.
JamesMetFan1: that is ridiculous
abbenoid: thats what i mean
JamesMetFan1: 1 deal, 1 post
QSP NATE: He never will. He stole Larry Walker in this deal
abbenoid: would pdaj agree to undo the trade?
seahawk99ca: are all 3 teams here
JJLSPORT23: abben, no he wouldn;t
abbenoid: k
JJLSPORT23: yes don, all three teams are here
JJLSPORT23: wait, no they're not
abbenoid: pdaj is?
JJLSPORT23: paul isn;t
KingFishKarl: Are all three involved teams here
JJLSPORT23: no
QSP NATE: He never would. Unless the Comish put it to a vote?
JJLSPORT23: nate and bill are
JamesMetFan1: Razzle Dazzle recieves: Larry Walker 7th round pick Nate Dogg recieves: Edgardo Alfonzo Aaron Boone (DL) 5th round pick
KingFishKarl: k
QSP NATE: That is the easy solution
JamesMetFan1: is that the other post??
QSP NATE: yea that is it
RotoRascal: Nate - don't post a deal assuming a future deal, and live with the deal. PDAJ won't undo it, I'm guessing, though it won't hurt to ask. TSC - say you're sorry for "misleading" Nate, but that it wasn't your intent to screw him.
tscbill5: Nate I'm sorry
KingFishKarl: Nate?

[Baseball Guru]

RotoRascal: No OVERTURNING deals. Nate, live with Alfy and quit making bad trades with PDAJ or he's gonna win this league...
QSP NATE: See I told everyone there was not a solution here
JamesMetFan1: also, after that deal was accepted, Nate you ask if anyone is interested in Finzie
KingFishKarl: I am
JamesMetFan1: I agree with Fonzie^
QSP NATE: It was a joke to Smelly
RotoRascal: There is... don't do it again. And no one should trade with PDAJ - it only leads to someone becoming cranky :-)
seahawk99ca: yeah like me
RotoRascal: see :-)
JamesMetFan1: I agree with Corey...if we went to a vote and the deal was overturned, Payl would be pissed
tscbill5: There is a solution... you suck it up and carry on with your team of many super stars and win the league any way
JamesMetFan1: and he has a right to be
QSP NATE: Or the comish of the league can be a man and honor his word
KingFishKarl: Well I don't know guys seems like we all get along pretty well. I've made 6 trades to date with no problems.
RotoRascal: Guys, this is fantasy baseball for NO MONEY. Just have fun with it, and be a man. You will earn our everlasting respect which is worth far more than Larry Walker's 75 ABs before pulling his hammy...
JamesMetFan1: in 1 thread he posts the deal and it is confirmed...
JJLSPORT23: nate, get off the commish kick. his word has as much meaning as anyone else's
KingFishKarl: I concur
QSP NATE: not much then?
KingFishKarl: No more than yours
abbenoid: Nate... do you consider keeping alfonze a solution?
RotoRascal: If Paul wants to be a man and undo the deal, than ask him. My impression is that he will not...
JamesMetFan1: GUYS HOLD ON HERE!
JamesMetFan1: let me talk for a sec
QSP NATE: I have not went back on any deal
JamesMetFan1: too much going on right now
tscbill5: Petrick to Pdaj.
JJLSPORT23: just because he's the commish doesn't mean he has power .. there are 20 pieces of the pie here, each piece is equal
JamesMetFan1: can someone pelase tell me what the exact deal is as of now
KingFishKarl: ask please
QSP NATE: Paul had Walker and I have Alfy
RotoRascal: Deal between PDAJ & DOGG was confirmed by both parties and is confirmed.
RotoRascal: Everyone plays nice.
RotoRascal: Nate finds some other deal for Alfy
JamesMetFan1: you have Alfy and Boone and 5th round right
QSP NATE: Pdaj is not to blame
RotoRascal: True
QSP NATE: for Walker and 7th yes
JamesMetFan1: for Walker and 7th rounder
JamesMetFan1: ok
KingFishKarl: Oh the tangled webs we weave
tscbill5: worst comes to worst he keeps a great 3rd base
QSP NATE: A deal I would not have done
abbenoid: but do we all think that it is a solution?
QSP NATE: what solution?
abbenoid: you keep alfonzo
QSP NATE: what other choice is there?
RotoRascal: But PDAJ could solve everything by "undoing" the deal, much like I did with you when you made mistake on Castillo. But he won't, because for some reason he enjoys getting the better end of these deals...
JamesMetFan1: thats not that bad of a deal
QSP NATE: very true
tscbill5: Pdaj already let him off the hook once
JamesMetFan1: you can ask Paul to undo the deal but if he doesn't, he doesn't
RotoRascal: Meanwhile, I'll negotiate for Alfonzo and/or Boone...
QSP NATE: no he didnt
abbenoid: if we have no other choices than haven't we already settled upon the solution?
RotoRascal: :-)
JamesMetFan1: it is his call
JJLSPORT23: yes he did ...
tscbill5: The pEtrcik thing
QSP NATE: Wrong
KingFishKarl: Sounds like a pretty good deal to me, trading away a DL waiting to happen
QSP NATE: I gave him an extra pick in that deal
abbenoid: I thought you guys said there is no way razzle would undo the trade
QSP NATE: I am not an Alfy fan. I am a walker fan
KingFishKarl: And that's all this is about
QSP NATE: Why would he?
QSP NATE: He stole WALKER
KingFishKarl: No he didn't you dealt him
abbenoid: yeah than why were we just saying maybe he would undo it?
QSP NATE: Winning a free league is more important to him than making this wright
RotoRascal: yup
KingFishKarl: Then why did you deal with him?
tscbill5: Sorry, I go to go... its been fun:-\
tscbill5 has left the room.
JJLSPORT23: nate, lay off this stealing stuff, geesh ... he "stole" manny from me and i was a man about it ... do the same thing and quit acting like a baby about it
JamesMetFan1: Nate, Fonzie willbounce back this season and you can have him at 2 or 3
QSP NATE: I dealt with him because Bill said that i could get JD Drew for ALfy
RotoRascal: We need one more owner for the NL Mock Auction and I'll get it started tomorrow am...
RotoRascal: Any ideas - maybe PDAJ? :-)
JamesMetFan1: well that is great...
JJLSPORT23: you will win the league anyway, quit the complaining
JamesMetFan1: Bill just leaves like that
QSP NATE: That is not the point
KingFishKarl: Well we are not getting anywhere this way
QSP NATE: The point is that the comish of this league was dishonest. That is the point
abbenoid: exactly
abbenoid: (exactly to kingfish's statement)
JamesMetFan1: well if we dont get anything accomplished here thn I guess we wont have the league
JamesMetFan1: at least thru addicts
KingFishKarl: I've known Cat for two years and he has never been dishonest before nor has anyone ever accused him of it
JJLSPORT23: again, get off the commish kick. his word is as valuable as your word, my word, james' word, paul's word, jesse's word, shawn's word, karl's word, abben's word, corey's word, etc
QSP NATE: I also want to know why Bill edited my posts but he left before we got to that point
JJLSPORT23: i also was wondering about that
RotoRascal: Luckily, the Commish has no real power. I think it sounds more like a miscommunication due to time pressures and the internet
abbenoid: yeah that part i didn't like
RotoRascal: Editing posts?
abbenoid: yeah
QSP NATE: yea
RotoRascal: That's not good
abbenoid: and pushing him out of the league supposedly?
QSP NATE: He edited my post to say that I was 100% wrong and that I quit
KingFishKarl: It is the reason I suggested an independent Monitor from the Commish
JJLSPORT23: guys ... i've got 15 minutes left ... if we can't get this resolved in 15 minutes i'll have to leave it to you guys
abbenoid: what did you say that made him interpret you quitting?
QSP NATE: Then he told people that I quit and tried to block me from the league
JamesMetFan1: see, I wish you hadnt edited it again Nate
RotoRascal: Damn... wish we had started with that issue...
KingFishKarl: odd but usc2002 said you had quit
JamesMetFan1: cause your edit is the ony one I saw
QSP NATE: I was trying to go in order of events
JJLSPORT23: yeah nate, you made the mistake of editing it
JJLSPORT23: dustin also told me nate quit
QSP NATE: I didnt edit it.
JamesMetFan1: see, the way I see it he did not edit anything
KingFishKarl: tI have never known Cat to edit others posts
QSP NATE: I left it alon and posted under it
JamesMetFan1: nowhere did it say, edited by smellycat
KingFishKarl: James should know
JamesMetFan1: if he edited it will say that
JamesMetFan1: I looked for it
JamesMetFan1: it says it was edited by you
abbenoid: It doesn't say that when I edit things on the cardinals board
abbenoid: the board I admin
QSP NATE: It did until I went back and edited it. He addmited to it in his next post
JJLSPORT23: ... nor does it say that on the pirates' board
abbenoid: only for admin or for everyone?
JJLSPORT23: he admitted to editing it due to cursing, etc.
JJLSPORT23: i thought it was for everyone
QSP NATE: It said eddited be Smelly UNTI I edited it
KingFishKarl: So if there were an independent Monitor would that not solve the post problem?
JamesMetFan1: it should on the bottom of the post Abben
QSP NATE: HOLD ON!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
KingFishKarl: Small italic script
QSP NATE: It said edited by smelly..............
QSP NATE: then I went and edited it
JamesMetFan1: well if you edit your own post it does as well..but if a mod edits a post it will say the mods name
KingFishKarl: Why?
QSP NATE: I did not change what he posted
JamesMetFan1: yeah but if you edit last your name shows up
JJLSPORT23: nate, someone asked you why you didn't repost the original post ... why didn't you?
KingFishKarl: Again I ask why?
QSP NATE: I jsut brought it to everyones
QSP NATE: attention
QSP NATE: I dont remeber the post that was edited
KingFishKarl: Did anyone else see it?
QSP NATE: It did not have any curse words
KingFishKarl: Anyone?
JJLSPORT23: i did not see anything edited by bill

[Baseball Guru]

QSP NATE: Where is the post?
QSP NATE: James?
JamesMetFan1: the post was deleted a few days ago...
KingFishKarl: Nor did I which is why I asked why?
QSP NATE: So he could kick me out of the league
QSP NATE: say I quit and get me out
KingFishKarl: Why did you edit it?
JamesMetFan1: see I thought you quit also
QSP NATE: I DID NOT CHANGE WHAT HE SAID
KingFishKarl: but usc2002 told me specifically that you had quit
QSP NATE: He said " I am wrong.........I am 100% to blame.......I quit.....good bye"
JJLSPORT23: nate, i think usc is very trustworthy, and both karl and i was told by him that you said you were quitting (does that make sense)?
KingFishKarl: yep
QSP NATE: USC told me if I was kicked out that he and probalby playaayusc would also leave
KingFishKarl: tSo?
JJLSPORT23: how does that change you saying you were going to quit?
KingFishKarl: It doesn't
abbenoid: http://www.addictsports.com/baseball/showthread.php?s=&postid=26408#post26408
JJLSPORT23: just answer the question and quit dancing around it
QSP NATE: I never said I was going to quit. I did say if things did not get straightend out that i would consider it
KingFishKarl: hmmmm
KingFishKarl: Si I guess we are right back where we started from
abbenoid: he told me that you said you quit... and by sending out new passwords he was acting on what you said
JJLSPORT23: nate, usc told me specifically you said you were going to quit, not if this and that happened
KingFishKarl: same here
QSP NATE: too bad USC is not here
JJLSPORT23: really
QSP NATE: he must have misunderstood me
KingFishKarl: I still have his email
QSP NATE: I never posted that I quit
QSP NATE: whos USC?
JJLSPORT23: hey karl, would you mind copying and pasting where he said nate was quitting?
JamesMetFan1: can you post the email Karl??
JJLSPORT23: come on now nate, you know who usc is
KingFishKarl: One sec
JamesMetFan1: usc is Dustin
QSP NATE: Bill is the only person I have seen saying that i quit
QSP NATE: NO whose email
QSP NATE: uscs' email or bills
JJLSPORT23: usc's aka: dustin
QSP NATE: fish said he had his email. I said whos, usc. meaning whose email
JJLSPORT23: understood ...
MichLee60 has entered the room.
JamesMetFan1: hey Lee
MichLee60: hey
abbenoid: so if he really did say he quit but takes it back fully, would we kick him out for that?
QSP NATE: missed all the fun
RotoRascal: Not sure what a Fake quitting accomplishes. I'd assume he did it with tongue in cheek, or in spite, but did not intend to "trick" the league into thinking you had quit. That would be silly, since you could raise hell (like this)
JamesMetFan1: want my opinion??
abbenoid: sure
JamesMetFan1: I say first if Nate wants to say, he stay.....
QSP NATE: sure
MichLee60: i will give my opinion if someone lets me in on what is going on...
QSP NATE: lol
JamesMetFan1: 2nd....the trade should go thru unless Paul says it is ok to undo
JamesMetFan1: stay^
JamesMetFan1: damn, cant spell today
QSP NATE: what about a comish who tried to kick me out of the league by editing my posts and telling everyone that i quit?
KingFishKarl: I whacked that email, sorry
MichLee60: ok... i think i know what the topic is right now, and if I'm right, I agree with James as well
JJLSPORT23: hey james, hooked on phonicks werked fer me
MichLee60: about both situations
JamesMetFan1: we are getting 2 stories here and if Nate now says he wants in and he hasnt been replaced, he stays
JamesMetFan1: lol, Josh
RotoRascal: lol - sounds good.
RotoRascal: any other issues?
JamesMetFan1: it was done quickly, Nate being thrown out
QSP NATE: what about a comish who tried to kick me out of the league by editing my posts and telling everyone that i quit?
JJLSPORT23: bill said he had a replacement, although who knows if he did
abbenoid: that was wrong of smelly to do that imo
JamesMetFan1: noe that can be answered w/o Bill
KingFishKarl: without concurrence which Bill now understands
MichLee60: about the commish... Personally, I dont feel any actions regarding this league unless decided upon by the league. Because this is a group league, I feel that everyone should have a say in what goes on
JamesMetFan1: well i know I had someone and he was going to invite someone that was in last year
RotoRascal: I vote Karl for Commish! Again.
KingFishKarl: you rat
abbenoid: me too (again)
JamesMetFan1: I would be fine with that
MichLee60: I agree...
KingFishKarl: two rats
KingFishKarl: tthree rats
JJLSPORT23: hey nate, that point is void ... only you saw that, no one else did, it's a void point
JamesMetFan1: but who set uup the league and who was the commish last season??
JJLSPORT23: four ratss ...
MichLee60: Karl-
QSP NATE: I dont want a comish that i can not trust. I feel that if there is ever any situation again, i will end up on the loosing side
KingFishKarl: Lord help us
abbenoid: Nate was commish before
RotoRascal: A coup! Bloodless, but a coup nonetheless...
JamesMetFan1: so why isnt Nate the commish again??
KingFishKarl: good question
MichLee60: I dont think being commish here would be like being commish in a usual league... When I say commish, I mean have the final say when things like this happen, etc...
RotoRascal: That would not be good at this point :-)
abbenoid: he didn;t do anything wrong... maybe he passed the alou trade through too fast but I wound'nt know
RotoRascal: We have no real commish - just these "peer review groups"
JamesMetFan1: what power does a commish have in this league??
KingFishKarl: I concur
RotoRascal: But the forum MODERATOR should be Karl.
JJLSPORT23: none, james
abbenoid: so again what was the final decision on the trade?
JamesMetFan1: do they really have the power??
JJLSPORT23: he has no power
QSP NATE: I know that no one saw him edit my post. I never changed what he said. He also admited that he edited my post due to cursing
MichLee60: none in my opinion
JamesMetFan1: so whats the big deal??

[Baseball Guru]

KingFishKarl: I will take on the monitor if that's what you all want but I'm commish in two leagues now
RotoRascal: The power he has is to edit posts in the league...
JamesMetFan1: I only had him as a Mod because I feel the commish should be the mod
RotoRascal: monitor is easy....
MichLee60: however, the commish does potentially have the power to mess with the league since they are in charge of the site
JJLSPORT23: due to cursing, no third party saw it, only you and bill ... of course both will say different stories
RotoRascal: maintains the rosters on Yahoo?
JamesMetFan1: how so Lee??
MichLee60: talk to Nate
MichLee60: he knows from last year
KingFishKarl: We'd all be able to see that happening
JJLSPORT23: well lee, if that happened, 19 people would speak out against it
KingFishKarl: dam right
RotoRascal: I wouldn't notice...
RotoRascal: :-)
JJLSPORT23: the commish can lock rosters, that's about it
JamesMetFan1: do we really need a Mod in there??
RotoRascal: Once league starts I'll be focusing on money leagues...
abbenoid: so again what was the final decision on the trade? We ask for pdaj to undo it otherwise it stands....?
JamesMetFan1: yes
KingFishKarl: It stands
JamesMetFan1: Abben
abbenoid: k so it's solved
JamesMetFan1: yep
MichLee60: alright well sorry everyone, but ive got to go to work
JamesMetFan1: fair Nate??
JamesMetFan1: c-ya Lee
MichLee60: later
MichLee60 has left the room.
QSP NATE: no......but i have no choice.
KingFishKarl: later
JamesMetFan1: I htink that is the fairest way at this point
KingFishKarl: Nate you staying in the league?
JamesMetFan1: thik^
QSP NATE: sure
JamesMetFan1: damn
abbenoid: and nates in the league.... that's shouldn't have been an issue in the first place
JamesMetFan1: Josh, send me that damn tape
KingFishKarl: Two down one to go
abbenoid: so what are we left with now?
KingFishKarl: Moderator
JamesMetFan1: k, Nate I will get you the password
QSP NATE: we need a team for NL auctio
JamesMetFan1: do we need a Mod??
QSP NATE: and a new moderator and comish.
JamesMetFan1: I was monitoring before
abbenoid: if you guys don't like smelly as mod I could do it... I have the time
JJLSPORT23: what tape james????
QSP NATE: it was fine too
KingFishKarl: I think so just to keep the I edit/he edit BS down
JamesMetFan1: hooked on phonics....lol
JJLSPORT23: ahh ... i through it owt
QSP NATE: Have James mod and Fish Comish
abbenoid: that would work if fish can do it
KingFishKarl: Sorry but I can't commish another league
KingFishKarl: My wife would kill me
QSP NATE: The biggest thing that the comish does is set up league and OK trades
abbenoid: gotta go eat dinner.... be back in 20 minutes if this room is still active then....
KingFishKarl: And my insurance is all paid up
QSP NATE: OK.
QSP NATE: I did it last year.
KingFishKarl: I will Mod if requested though
QSP NATE: Not too hard.
KingFishKarl: As far as Commish they should have little power but lots of work
JJLSPORT23: i am also off to eat dinner, but i don't think i'll be back ... maybe later tonight
JJLSPORT23: later
JJLSPORT23 has left the room.
QSP NATE: need to stay active and check in at least 1 time a day
KingFishKarl: yep
QSP NATE: I dont care who it is as long as it is not bill
Twc48 has entered the room.
JamesMetFan1: hey Tom
Twc48: hey
JamesMetFan1: TOm, which team is yours??
QSP NATE: who are you?
KingFishKarl: mystery guest?
JamesMetFan1: ok, my mistake
JamesMetFan1: I thought youwere in the league
RotoRascal: Tom, you must want to be in an NL-only auction?
JamesMetFan1: there ya go, that was for you Corey
Twc48: what league? is there space
JamesMetFan1: lol:-D
KingFishKarl: Lord forgive them for they no not what they do
QSP NATE: We need 1 tea mfor NL ?
RotoRascal: Its actually just a mock-auction - we may make it a league, but for now...
RotoRascal: Done by email...
QSP NATE: who is in?
KingFishKarl: I am
RotoRascal: Everyone in this chat room.
JamesMetFan1: me
RotoRascal: except tom
Twc48: yeah ill be in if u want
JamesMetFan1: cool
QSP NATE: usc and playaatusc?
KingFishKarl: He'll be punished then
JamesMetFan1: league is set
RotoRascal: No playa...
QSP NATE: tomorrow?
RotoRascal: tomorrow.
QSP NATE: tonight?
Twc48: is usc in?
JamesMetFan1: it is the mock austion Nate in he fantasy forum
RotoRascal: Tom - what's your email address. I'll send you details...
QSP NATE: I thought it was blocked
Twc48: twc48@aol.com
RotoRascal: Fantasy Forum -> NL Mock Auction
JamesMetFan1: so again, who appointed Bill as commish??
QSP NATE: who is twc???????
QSP NATE: Bill had the info from last year
JamesMetFan1: my mistake Nate
KingFishKarl: We still have an unsettled issue
QSP NATE: he kind of nominated himself.
JamesMetFan1: ok
JamesMetFan1: I think this should be done via vote
KingFishKarl: I concur
JamesMetFan1: lets nominate some people and do a voting process oat addicts
QSP NATE: I had a poll, that bill or myself could do it. I said that i would be busy this year but would do it. Karl also said he was going to be busy
KingFishKarl: Too busy
QSP NATE: Bill had a few more than Karl
JamesMetFan1: so lets nominate and those that do not want to do it we will not include in the poll
Twc48: are u sendin me the details? im kinda lost here
KingFishKarl: I concur
QSP NATE: OK
JamesMetFan1: those left, we make the commish

[Fullabull]

I'm getting that warm and fuzzy feeling all over.
Come on everyone, group hug.:love:
I seen the post edited by Smelly

[TheSmellyCat]

I did edit his post. Nothing to defend it was a mistake... I should have left the slander he wrote up but Iw as anger... it was my mistake. (but thats not why I said he quit... he told be he was quiting and finding his own replacement.) There must have been a might or gonna in there somewhere that I missed because I thought he was definately quiting.


Its nice that you all think I'm better then that. :biggrin: But at times I can be childish as well:ohno:


Sorry for any problems I caused.

[TheSmellyCat]

http://www.addictsports.com/baseball/showthread.php?s=&threadid=4168


That was the commish vote...

I had half the votes and no one was voting any more.



I'm sure people would like to change their votes now that they don't like me any more:ohno: :crying2:

[KingFish]

I still like you!:biggrin:

[imgreat95]

guys.. we already had a vote for commish. What are we going to do? Vote on a new commish every couple of days? In all honesty, in this league the commish really has ZERO power. I honestly am at the point where I am ready to just say forget it. It's getting ridiculous.

[amag]

Yeah... I liked this leage a lot a few weeks ago... I'm starting to wonder if it's worth all this. Are we really having fun?

[KingFish]

I concur

[Baseball Guru]

Well if anyone is having fun then good for them as I am not having fun at all.....
We are very, very close to finding a new owner here....
:angry: