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BPBlueSox
02-04-2005, 05:38 PM
http://sports.espn.go.com/nhl/news/story?id=1984268



ESPN.com news services

NHL labor talks ended Friday after a four-hour meeting in New York, leaving the hockey season on the brink of being canceled.

"The parties agreed to stay in touch, but there is no progress to report," players' association executive director Bob Goodenow told reporters in New York before leaving, according to Canada's TSN. "That's the statement, that's the reality."

The sides met for the third straight day but made no progress on the major stumbling block -- a salary cap. The NHL has insisted on a link between league revenues and player costs, and the players' association has steadfastly refused that as a solution to end the season-long lockout.

"The parties met again today for approximately four hours and the discussions broke off with no progress to report," NHLPA senior director Ted Saskin said in a statement.

NHL commissioner Gary Bettman and Goodenow rejoined the discussions Thursday and were at the table for Friday's session.

Goodenow left the meeting and said he was returning to Toronto.

The NHL indicated that progress was essential at these talks if there was to be hockey this season.

"We had extensive and constructive talks over the past two days," NHL chief legal officer Bill Daly said in a statement. "While there are no future meetings scheduled, we have agreed to keep the lines of communication open. Despite several media reports to the contrary, we have no intention of making any futher announcement related to collective bargaining or the status of the season at this time."

On Wednesday, the players' association quickly rejected the league's proposal because it included a salary cap. That session was the fifth in a two-week span that Bettman and Goodenow didn't attend. But right after that meeting, the union invited the league back to the table and wanted the two leaders there.

Bettman and Goodenow were needed in the room before any deal could possibly be reached. No major league in North America has lost an entire season to a labor dispute.

Saskin and John McCambridge also took part in the negotiations on the union side, while Daly and attorney Bob Batterman represented the league. Those four were the only participants in Wednesday's session.

The 4½-month lockout reached its 142nd day Friday and has wiped out 775 regular-season games and the All-Star Game. The remainder of the 1,230-game schedule could be called off within days.

The NHL proposed a six-year deal Wednesday that contained a cap that would force teams to spend at least $32 million on player costs but no more than $42 million, including benefits. The union needed only a few hours to turn it down.

There were other components to the offer, such as a profit-sharing plan, reduced age for unrestricted free agency, a raise of the minimum salary and the continued conclusion of guaranteed contracts, but the issue has always been about a salary cap.

Bettman has said that teams lost a total of more than $1.8 billion over 10 years and management will not agree to a deal without a defined relationship between revenue and salaries.

Last season's average salary was $1.8 million, and the NHL wants to push that back with a salary cap. The latest offer would give players between 53 and 55 percent of league revenues.

An economic study commissioned by the NHL found that players got 75 percent of revenues, but the union has challenged many of the league's findings.

The NHL has been operating under the same collective bargaining agreement since 1995, when the last lockout went 103 days before a 48-game season was played.

The Stanley Cup has been awarded every year since 1919, when a flu epidemic wiped out the final series between Montreal and Seattle.

PissedPrincess
02-04-2005, 05:40 PM
Dan, the guy who does Bruins games, was just on the radio. He said this is all bluster. He STRONGLY believes Hockey will be back this year.

BPBlueSox
02-04-2005, 05:42 PM
What gives him that impression?

I must say that I was quite excited when I heard they were meeting into the late hours last night...

PissedPrincess
02-04-2005, 05:44 PM
I don't really know, but he's very close to the B's owner, and knows a lot of what's going on. He thinks the players are about to cave.

BPBlueSox
02-04-2005, 05:49 PM
They'd better. Greedy bastards.

I Are Baboon
02-04-2005, 06:48 PM
Two months ago I didn't care. Now I miss hockey. If they do manage to squeeze a season in, it will be a great season. Every game will be important.

Special_K19
02-04-2005, 06:57 PM
A season at this point would be pointless, it would be way to short. If any one reads the Daily Quickie on ESPN, Dan Shanoff put out an interesting idea should the lock out end soon. He said create a giant NCAA style tournament starting with a best of three in the early rounds to make it go a little quicker. That'd be fun to watch. Plus, technically Columbus would be in the playoffs. :banana:

I Are Baboon
02-04-2005, 06:59 PM
K19, I think if they do have a season, they will extend it another calendar month to get more games in. We could see playoff hockey in JULY! :eek:

Durango53
02-04-2005, 07:25 PM
Hockey insiders say there's time for a 25-game NHL season, with 26 of 30 teams making the playoffs, if a labor agreement can be reached soon.

http://www.twincities.com/mld/twincities/sports/football/10812693.htm

renuszm
02-04-2005, 10:32 PM
He thinks the players are about to cave.
They will eventually. We've already had a lot of players come out and say they wouldnt mind a salary cap (Roenick said it yesterday I believe) but it's a matter of when they cave really.

Chisox73
02-04-2005, 10:46 PM
Hockey insiders say there's time for a 25-game NHL season, with 26 of 30 teams making the playoffs,

Even with a shortened season,the Blackhawks will still miss the playoffs.

Blue56
02-05-2005, 09:37 AM
They'd better. Greedy bastards.
They sure better

Blue56
02-05-2005, 09:38 AM
Jeremy Roenick said the other day that the players should vote wheater they agree with the proposal from the nhl or not. It shouldn't be someone else making that decision for them. I'm telling you if the players would vote on a proposla there would be more than a few that would agree. They're all big babies.

robmik
02-05-2005, 09:43 AM
Hockey insiders say there's time for a 25-game NHL season, with 26 of 30 teams making the playoffs, if a labor agreement can be reached soon.[

That's a typo...they mean 16 teams making the playoffs.
Either that or the writer never covered the NHL.

Blue56
02-05-2005, 09:58 AM
lol 26 of 30 man that would be funny

Baseball Guru
02-05-2005, 10:24 AM
Anything new develop??

I get the feeling they wont play.. Just my gut.. Hope I'm wrong:(

Blue56
02-05-2005, 10:38 AM
They said theres a good 95% chance the season is canceled, thats what i heard on the radio

BPBlueSox
02-05-2005, 10:41 AM
I think there was 1 or 2 gm's that were hopeful of something last night...but I think the majority of people know it's about that time.

The sad thing is that the players would probably cave if that jackass Goodman or whoever gave them a chance to vote on some proposals. Or maybe that jackass Trevor Linden, too. :(

Blue56
02-05-2005, 10:42 AM
trust me hockeys over :(

BPBlueSox
02-05-2005, 10:51 AM
http://www.tsn.ca/news_story.asp?ID=113818&hubName=main

McKenzie: No closure for fans yet


TSN.ca Staff



2/4/2005

If you're a non-hockey fan in the company of a hockey fan, please remove all sharp instruments because everyone wants closure on the lockout and they're not going to get it yet.



I believe we're going to see a CBA dance go on and nobody wants to hear that.



I believe there may be one more week of back-and-forth negotiations, which may not be pretty like they were on Friday when things broke up but there is not going to be that closure that everyone desperately wants.



What I find interesting is hearing guys saying they would accept a cap under the right circumstances. These guys didn't wake up in the morning and suddenly get hit in the head with the salary cap stick, feel good about it and say 'Bring on the cap, we love it'. These players are not saying that. They're saying they might consider it.





To me, that smacks of a situation whereby maybe the NHLPA is filtering out a message, very subtlely, that they are prepared to negotiate - under the right set of circumstances - a salary cap that is not tied to linkage.



There is a sense out there that maybe those are some of the cards that Bob Goodenow was prepared to play if he felt the NHL was ready to bargain with him. The NHLPA felt like that didn't happen on Friday, so they bolted back to Toronto. There's obviously a sense out there that before the week is out, that may be something the NHLPA puts on the table to the NHL and it may be something that really jump-starts negotiations and gets things going.



Many people were speculating that there might be a Board of Governors meeting on Tuesday or Wednesday and that may well happen but if it does, it might be all part of the theatrics and dance that goes on in collective bargaining. I don't anticipate a cancellation notice on the season on Monday, Tuesday or Wednesday.



Obviously time is running out and we've been saying that for weeks on end.



I've been pessimistic all the way along but at this point, I'm no more pessimistic than I was two days ago. I don't think what has happened over the last couple of days is reason to say things are sliding into oblivion.

Blue56
02-11-2005, 03:04 PM
If there's no writing this week end there's no hockey. Thats what Betman says.
I also heard that Betman proposed the players "what they wanted for the remainder of this season" but if it wasn't working by the end of the seoson they would agree to have a salary cap next year. But it was turned down.

imgreat95
02-11-2005, 04:31 PM
IF, Big IF, there is some sort of shortened season, why not use it as a time to experiment with some rule changes?? They have talked for years about making it more like International Rules hockey, why not use this as a time to flirt with some of the changes?? Things such as eliminating the red line... shootouts... things like that.. what better time than now?

BPBlueSox
02-11-2005, 05:11 PM
Unfortunately, it's looking like a lost cause now. :(

rockin500
02-11-2005, 05:35 PM
stick a fork in em.

Timberwolf
02-11-2005, 06:40 PM
I seriously doubt I will be a hockey fan ever again. I don't care for the sport so if they want to cancel it, it's fine with me.

I will say this though. The owners need to stick to their guns and they should be commended for it. They can not give in to the union. The NHL owners need to represent something good for the sport and that's a salary cap. Hopefully those owners can serve as an inspiration to baseball owners that they can get their way too.

rockin500
02-11-2005, 11:35 PM
the owners shouldnt be commended...
especially douchebags like bill wirtz.

Blue56
02-12-2005, 12:50 PM
Its all about money

renuszm
02-12-2005, 07:18 PM
some of the owners I support, some of them I dont, but hey at least its some, the players are the real idiots.

Timberwolf
02-13-2005, 03:46 AM
the owners shouldnt be commended...
especially douchebags like bill wirtz.

What about the small-market owners like Bob Neagle from the Wild or those owners from Western Canada teams? This lockout is about those guys not the big-market owners.

Blue56
02-13-2005, 08:08 PM
Well look at the brightside, Baseball's just around the corner. :D

Blue56
02-14-2005, 07:23 PM
C'est termine. It's over