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GaryMrMets
06-10-2005, 01:21 PM
Bonds Fumes Over Comments by Kittle

By JANIE McCAULEY
.c The Associated Press

SAN FRANCISCO (AP) - A cheery Barry Bonds sprawled himself across a leather clubhouse sofa, stretched his leg and pronounced he was ready to talk - and after several minutes, the conversation turned from his surgically repaired right knee to Ron Kittle.

When told that the former White Sox slugger's new book quotes the San Francisco star as saying ``I don't sign for white people'' before a game at Wrigley Field 12 years ago, Bonds became infuriated.

``Who is Kittle? How long did he play? He played in our league?'' Bonds said Thursday. ``Ha! Do you guys believe that?

Do you guys know my life history a little bit? One, you insult my children, who are half-white.

``I was married to a woman who was white, so let's get real. I don't even know the guy. Tell him he's an ... idiot. Somebody said he wanted a piece of me. Tell him I'm at 24 Willie Mays Plaza and he can come get me anytime he wants to - with pleasure. Don't insult my family.''

In Kittle's book, ``Tales from the White Sox Dugout,'' he writes that he approached Bonds at his locker in the visitors' clubhouse at Wrigley Field about autographing three jerseys to be auctioned for a cancer charity. Kittle retired after the 1991 season, and Bonds and the Giants were in Chicago to face the Cubs.

``It's the truth. I don't lie,'' Kittle told The Associated Press in a phone interview Tuesday. ``I tell it as it is. It's unfortunate it happened. And I didn't bring it up to sell the books.''

The 1983 AL Rookie of the Year said the book's co-author, Bob Logan, asked him to write about the good and bad aspects of the game.

``This was one of the rotten things that happened,'' said Kittle, who claims he wrote the book before Bonds testified to a grand jury in the BALCO steroids investigation.

In the book, Kittle wrote: ``I walked up to Bonds at his locker, introduced myself and said, `Barry, if you sign these, they'll bring in a lot of money for kids who need help.' Bonds stood up, looked me in the eye and said, `I don't sign for white people.'''

Kittle wrote that former Giants infielder Matt Williams came between him and Bonds, and Williams said, ``Ron, that's the way he is.''

Kittle, who founded Indiana Sports Charity in 1989, told the Associated Press that he was so angry afterward that he tore up one of the jerseys in disgust. Then, he left the ballpark and drove ``about 150 mph'' to his daughter's softball game and sat there in shock.

``I go out of my way to do things for people,'' Kittle said. ``I would have rather had him say, 'Maybe another time.' I would have been all for it.''

While incensed over Kittle's accusations, Bonds said Thursday he was pleased with the progress of his recovering right knee. But he dismissed a report that he hit soft toss in the batting cage Wednesday, saying he was just playing catch.

He had done little baseball work as of yet.

``You'll see soft toss when you see those bats hanging up there,'' Bonds said, pointing toward his locker ``I've been swinging around with my heavy bat right now, trying to work on my hands.''

``Hey, Murphy, have I touched any of my bats?'' Bonds hollered to longtime equipment manager Mike Murphy. ``I don't even know where they are.''

Bonds has been sidelined all season following three operations on his right knee since Jan. 31, the most recent on May 2 to drain fluid and examine an infection.

Bonds said he isn't ready to guess when he might step back in the batter's box. He was scheduled for a routine doctor's appointment Friday to have his blood tested and another Sunday with Dr. Robert Armstrong. Trainer Stan Conte believes Bonds could be off antibiotics sometime next week.

Will he be back this season?

``I still don't know,'' Bonds said. ``You guys will know when I'll be ready. You'll see. There's no reason to discuss that stuff until I'm with my teammates on the field.''

Bonds said in spring training he could miss half the season or even the entire year, but has been more optimistic recently about a return. One popular timetable - though the club won't make any predictions - has Bonds returning sometime around the All-Star break. He turns 41 on July 24.

Bonds is third on the career home runs list with 703, 11 behind Babe Ruth and 52 from tying Hank Aaron's record. Bonds batted .362 last season with 45 homers and 101 RBIs and walked a major league-record 232 times on the way to his record seventh MVP award.

AP Sports Writer Andrew Seligman in Chicago contributed to this story.

06/10/05 04:37 EDT

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Tigers#1
06-10-2005, 02:28 PM
All Bonds states is that his ex wife was white, the "who is this guy" card, and that he wants to beat him down. Not really a convincing argument.

goathead63
06-10-2005, 05:22 PM
so what's new? :yadda: :yadda: Bonds is always *****ing and moaning about the media,his teamates,something to draw attention himself.he does'nt deserve the HONOR of breaking hammerin' hank's record.if he retired tonight,i damn sure would'nt miss his ass! :bonehead :bonehead :doublefin

RockDog
06-11-2005, 10:54 AM
I'm a new guy here and don't mean to start out on the wrong side of things, but I couldn't help myself. :)

I haven't read Kittle's book...and really have no interest in it...but he supposedly writes the good and bad of the game in this book. Is Bonds the only bad thing in Baseball? Of course not. He surely mentioned several other things and other players, but the media is drawn to Barry. They need him as much as he needs them. They both feed off of each other...and make a good living doing it. Kittle will sell many more books now. Smart move.

I think Barry is an outstanding player. Illegal substances or not, you still have to put the ball in play...which he usually does better than anyone. I can't imagine what this guy has to go through everyday of his life being hounded and questioned about everything he does...or doesn't do...and now he has to field questions about some no name.

Anyway, I look forward to his return. I'm a huge Yankees fan, but I can't wait for him to overtake The Babe...and then Hammerin' Hank.

Tigers#1
06-11-2005, 03:15 PM
You totally ruffled my feathers dude! :turkey: :gripe:

imgreat95
06-11-2005, 03:24 PM
I'm a new guy here and don't mean to start out on the wrong side of things, but I couldn't help myself. :)

I haven't read Kittle's book...and really have no interest in it...but he supposedly writes the good and bad of the game in this book. Is Bonds the only bad thing in Baseball? Of course not. He surely mentioned several other things and other players, but the media is drawn to Barry. They need him as much as he needs them. They both feed off of each other...and make a good living doing it. Kittle will sell many more books now. Smart move.

I think Barry is an outstanding player. Illegal substances or not, you still have to put the ball in play...which he usually does better than anyone. I can't imagine what this guy has to go through everyday of his life being hounded and questioned about everything he does...or doesn't do...and now he has to field questions about some no name.

Anyway, I look forward to his return. I'm a huge Yankees fan, but I can't wait for him to overtake The Babe...and then Hammerin' Hank.


I pretty much agree with everything you said. Well, except for being a Yankee fan part.

Tigers#1
06-11-2005, 03:32 PM
Come on, calling all Boston fans racists, and saying that he breaking Aarons record isn't as big as knocking that "white dude" out of the records. As well as numbers of other things, you can't tell me that he isn't just looking for a fight.

imgreat95
06-11-2005, 03:40 PM
Kyle, I dont believe that the majority of that stuff was ever said as it was made out to be in the media. I just can;t believe that any person would ever say that (well aside from John Rocker...)

And for the record, part of me agrees that passing Ruth is a bigger deal than passing Aaron. When having a conversation of the greatest ballplayers ever, Ruth is usually mentioned in the top 5. Right or wrong, Aaron is very rarely even listed in the top 10. Who would you think it to be a bigger deal to pass?

Rockin Robin
06-11-2005, 04:58 PM
....And for the record, part of me agrees that passing Ruth is a bigger deal than passing Aaron. When having a conversation of the greatest ballplayers ever, Ruth is usually mentioned in the top 5. Right or wrong, Aaron is very rarely even listed in the top 10. Who would you think it to be a bigger deal to pass?

Good point, Shawn.


....I think Barry is an outstanding player. Illegal substances or not, you still have to put the ball in play...which he usually does better than anyone....

I totally agree. Yes steroids might make you hit the ball further, but you still have to be able to make contact. Steroids cannot make you do that or see the ball better.

Thedatch
06-11-2005, 05:04 PM
I totally agree. Yes steroids might make you hit the ball further, but you still have to be able to make contact. Steroids cannot make you do that or see the ball better.

definately true. there is no doubt bonds is a great hitter, but what my problem is when he hits the ball it goes farther... a lot of balls that wouldnt have been homers without steroids were when he hit them.

imgreat95
06-12-2005, 01:22 AM
definately true. there is no doubt bonds is a great hitter, but what my problem is when he hits the ball it goes farther... a lot of balls that wouldnt have been homers without steroids were when he hit them.

Datch, do you have actual proof of this?? MOst educated people believe that the use of steroids can add 1 % on average to the distance that you hit the ball. That means that a 404 foot homer would have gone 400 feet without steroids. Therefore, still a homer. How many homers has Bonds hit that have been monster shots?? A few years ago, when Bonds hit 73, i did the numbers on it. He would have STILL hit 68 even if you had taken off the 1%...

Thedatch
06-12-2005, 01:38 AM
Datch, do you have actual proof of this?? MOst educated people believe that the use of steroids can add 1 % on average to the distance that you hit the ball. That means that a 404 foot homer would have gone 400 feet without steroids. Therefore, still a homer. How many homers has Bonds hit that have been monster shots?? A few years ago, when Bonds hit 73, i did the numbers on it. He would have STILL hit 68 even if you had taken off the 1%...

agh, you and your stats :)

you're right though, i dont have proof...i was posting in complete ignorance actually, I don't know much at all about steroids, so i guess i should check my facts before posting. But if it's only 1% then why the hell would players be using this stuff in the first place?!

imgreat95
06-12-2005, 01:47 AM
steroids are not used to make you stronger. Athletes use steroids because it allows the muscle tissue to heal faster than it would under normal circumstances. Therefore, allowing players, especially as the get older, to be able to play every day because their muscles are not fatigued.

90% of power comes from bat speed. Bat speed, comes mostly from the forearms, and the wrists. Steroids dont bulk you up in and of themselves. They just allow you to work out every day as opposed to every few days.

Thedatch
06-12-2005, 01:50 AM
steroids are not used to make you stronger. Athletes use steroids because it allows the muscle tissue to heal faster than it would under normal circumstances. Therefore, allowing players, especially as the get older, to be able to play every day because their muscles are not fatigued.

90% of power comes from bat speed. Bat speed, comes mostly from the forearms, and the wrists. Steroids dont bulk you up in and of themselves. They just allow you to work out every day as opposed to every few days.

so steriods are used to make you heal faster? well that's lame

imgreat95
06-12-2005, 02:01 AM
well, if you put it that way, yes it is lame.. haha...


but... look at it like this... i dont know how much you know about body building.... but when you lift weights, it basically causes little tears in the muscle fibers... these fibers then regenerate... healing the tear... and increasing the mass of the muscle. Generally, it is a good idea to only work the same muscle group 3-4 times a week. If you are using something which regenerates the muscle faster, then you will be able to work the same muscle group 5 or 6 times in a week. Therefore, increasing the mass of the muscles faster.

Where athletes get in trouble with this method, is that you are basically increasng the muscle mass... and weight WITHOUT increasing the skeletal system. Thus, you have bones which can not support the mass. Then you have freak broken bone injuries. THat is part of the reason that people in the past year or so have been accusing every Tom, Dick, and Harry who have broken a bone in a freak injury of using steroids.

Thedatch
06-12-2005, 02:04 AM
so then all this talk about steroids upping performance is just a load of crap? i mean, why hasnt anyone ever said that? or have I been reading the wrong articles?

imgreat95
06-12-2005, 02:09 AM
There have been a few people who have said it. I have posted a few articles of the such here. The reason, I believe, that everyone is in such an uproar over it is because of Bonds. SO many people want a reason to hate Bonds, that they will jump on this and ride it to make him out to be a horrible person.