Womack still alive and batting 2nd

[milky_way]

OMG is there any logic to this? :angry: :angry: :angry:

His OPS is so low it's practically non-existant. :bonehead

[rockin500]

hey, it makes as much sense as batting corey patterson 2nd, which dusty keeps on doing for us. of course, corey does hit the occasional extra base hit, despite a lofty .293 OBP.

[milky_way]

For the sake of context:

-- Womack's OPS, .549, is 64 points lower than Roger Clemens's OPS
-- Womack's OBP, .279, is 54 points lower than Roger Clemens's OBP
-- Womack's SLG, .269, is 11 points lower than Roger Clemens's SLG

Either I'm just hallucinating red flags or Joe Torre is being dumb again :confused:

[Royce]

I want Mark Kotsay.

[milky_way]

Mark Kotsay :drool:

Too bad Beane would rape us :(

[rockin500]

Mark Kotsay :drool:

Too bad Beane would rape us :(
very much so, but kotsay hasnt been all that hot either lately.

[milky_way]

But can you imagine that defense in CF? Holy crap :eek:

[rockin500]

very true. and then that would make sure tony womack wouldnt play at all since i would assume matsui would move back to left. unless it was robinson cano who was involved in said deal

[skippy]

just steal Kotsay and throw Womack in the trash (literally)

[Royce]

I'd rather see Henn take the mound then Womack step up to bat.

[skippy]

I'd rather see Henn take the mound then Womack step up to bat.
I'd rather see Torre take the mound....

[RockDog]

I'd rather see Henn take the mound then Womack step up to bat.

That would be a tough choice for me to make...can we get Womack to pitch???

[skippy]

even after being excited about the Yankees last night, I go right back to hating them today :( well... just Carl Pavano for giving up that home run... but... GAH :angry:

[milky_way]

I don't think this team has any idea what "consistancy" means :(

[Eva]

I won't be too surprised if Kotsay ends up in New York before the trading deadline. I think most people know the Yankees want to move Womack since Cano is coming around. Only reason he's out there is because there isn't anything much better on their bench to play on in left. Williams is old and pretty much done, but he will be a bench player if the Yankees get Kotsay and start him in center and move Matsui to left.

Yankees need to get Kotsay, move Womack and bench Williams after getting Kotsay. I doubt Williams is going to be moved.

As for pitching. Wang been great, couldn't have hoped for much better than that and The Moose has been solid, but beside those two, what do they got? Johnson been horrible at staying consistant and most people didn't see this coming. I think the word of ''fluke'' for Pavano's last season totals is coming up. Brown and other dude working the 5th spot is always an adventure, but that's the fifth spot. Pavano and Johnson are really killing them with their poor starting pitching. These two were suppose to be the aces of this staff. o_O

[Royce]

Brown has actually been decent after that terrible start. I'd take anyone over Womack in left field.

Someone teach C.J. Henry how to play left field, quick.

[milky_way]

If we get Kotsay, I think we bench Tino, start Giambi at 1B everyday, and Bernie's the DH.

Bernie's bat > Tino's bat

Originally posted by Evangelion
As for pitching. Wang been great, couldn't have hoped for much better than that and The Moose has been solid, but beside those two, what do they got? Johnson been horrible at staying consistant and most people didn't see this coming. I think the word of ''fluke'' for Pavano's last season totals is coming up. Brown and other dude working the 5th spot is always an adventure, but that's the fifth spot. Pavano and Johnson are really killing them with their poor starting pitching. These two were suppose to be the aces of this staff. o_O
Well, we kind of knew from the start of the season that we'd need three pitchers to carry the staff because Brown and Wright weren't going to do crap. Of course, no one thought Wang would be one of those three pitchers but that's luck for ya.

The bottom line is that we wagered the season (and the next couple seasons actually) on Randy. If he can't get it done, then we lose the bet. No Randy, no chance.

[Eva]

Giambi can't field if his life depend on it.

Tino's glove > Giambi's bat

If Giambi was never good at defense. Problem is he sucks with his bat these days, too.

Brown gets injuried too much. Everyone should know that before he came here. I have no clue what the point of getting Wright was. I always thought he was a bum. We all expect Johnson to get better. Expect, but it might not happen with how things have been going for that pitching staff.

[Royce]

Tino's glove > Giambi's bat.


:no: Giambi is batting .250 with an OBP of .394. Tino is batting .226 with an OBP of .321. His fielding % is .994 compared to Jason's .981, but they both have 3 errors. Having a better fielder is not better then having a better hitter in most cases.

[milky_way]

Giambi can't field if his life depend on it.

Tino's glove > Giambi's bat

If Giambi was never good at defense. Problem is he sucks with his bat these days, too.

If Tino's starting, then the question becomes: who's bat is more important, Bernie's or Giambi's?

IDK about this...I would go with Bernie but Giambi's been coming around.

But both of them are by far better hitters than Tino. I would rather start Giambi at first and hope that his offense will make up for his defense, and use Tino as a late inning defensive replacement.

[rockin500]

:no: Giambi is batting .250 with an OBP of .394. Tino is batting .226 with an OBP of .321. His fielding % is .994 compared to Jason's .981, but they both have 3 errors. Having a better fielder is not better then having a better hitter in most cases.
except up the middle. then you want a better glove than anything. having a decent bat is nice, but not necessary up the middle.

[Eva]

250. over 226. isn't that much of an improvement. Consider Tino slumping, I assume he'll hit better. I think we were all singing a different tune about Giambi and Tino when Tino was hammer all those home runs out of the park while Giambi couldn't even touch the ball. Yankees got plenty offense to let Tino play. That's just my thoughts since I'm more for defense when you have enough offense and since Giambi is that much better with the bat, I don't see much of point to play him.

The thing is, you can rotate since none of them are much better than other. Since they got Matsui, Sheffield, Posada, Jeter, Cano and A-Rod, it's not such a dire issue as the pitching is. Rotating helps see which player gets hot and which player is cold, so it's all good. Start the hot guy, bench the cold guy, but you prefer having consistent player instead of these three guys.

Since not many starting pitchers aren't out there, I would think they would make a move to fill first and CF before the deadline since I think they want Matsui back in LF, but I'm not sure. Since I suspect Womack is going to be dealt with the up and coming of Cano, then just leaves those two spots open.

Only pitchers I recall on the market are Rockie pitchers and Lima of KC. O_o

[milky_way]

I don't know how much better Tino will hit. He had an insane week and a half back in May, but take out that week and he's really not doing well. I think he's a better hitter than what he is right now, but I don't think he's that much better. Part of his 'slump' since his AL Player of the Week is just reverting back to the mean.

Giambi's been slumping too, but he's finally coming around. I think he's reverting to the mean too, only his mean is a lot better than Tino's.

I agree that there should be a rotation. Tino should start 2-or-so times a week, and when he starts Giambi and Bernie can share the DH spot. But I definitely think Jason and Bernie should be ahead of Tino on the totem pole when it comes to playing time. I see your point on the importance of defense (which I totally agree with, btw), but at the same time I wouldn't discount the need for the best bats as the Yanks' offense has been very streaky.

And I think we'll make a move for a CFer. Hopefully we won't give up too much for him.

[rockin500]

at least your leadoff hitter isnt batting .245 w/ a .280 OBP. :ugh:

[milky_way]

LOL, well no one said Dusty was a genius.

[rockin500]

LOL, well no one said Dusty was a genius.
actually, the problem is, leadoff is where he can do the lineup the least amound of damage, considering he cant protect ramirez or any other player, and he looks like Pedro Cerrano on breaking pitches (which you see most often in the 7 and 8 spots in the lineup)

[crazydude1017]

I hate Wamack...Yankees should trade him cuz CANO is doin way better!!!! :naughty: