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Blue56
06-22-2005, 10:17 PM
Whats going on with him? I know he's coming off an injury but he can't last long in games. He gets pulled after just 5 and maybe (very little) after 6 innings.
ksushi
06-22-2005, 10:55 PM
eh, no big deal, hes getting his stuff back his curve is nasty and in a years time he'll be solid. I think he should get surgery this offseason though.
rockin500
06-22-2005, 11:00 PM
WTF do you expect him to do when he is coming back from a ruined shoulder. its a miracle he's pitching at all, so take whatever you can get from him and be happy.
ksushi
06-22-2005, 11:13 PM
well, you do want a guy to come into the rotation and be effective. you dont want a guy with a 12 ERA and then say "OH THANK GOD ITS A MIRACLE HES EVEN PITCHING" cause who cares if he can phsyically be capable of pitching, you need a guy to be effective. With that said, i think hes been decently effective, only one really bad start, i think hes doing well. I do think he should have surgery though, but im no doctor
Thedatch
06-22-2005, 11:22 PM
he's just throwing a lot of pitches, that's all...he gets up over 100 pitches in 5 innings, naturally he isn't gonna go much further...
I Are Baboon
06-23-2005, 11:34 AM
Whats going on with him? I know he's coming off an injury but he can't last long in games. He gets pulled after just 5 and maybe (very little) after 6 innings.

He threw over 100 pitches last night. How long did you want him to stay in? :eyebrow He's given us 6 or 7 solid innings in 6 of his last 7 starts. What more do you want from a #5 guy?
Blue56
06-23-2005, 12:05 PM
Thats what I mean, he throws too much and can't go past 6 innings, with our bulpen being used so often we need our starters to go long. I know Miller's coming off an injury, I know, I don't expect him to be his best or pitch complete games every time. It's just his pitching count, he doesn't go long.
rockin500
06-23-2005, 01:10 PM
control is the last thing to return.
I Are Baboon
06-23-2005, 01:40 PM
Blue, any team in the league would be happy to take a #5 starter who can routinely give you 6 or 7 innings while giving his team a chance to win. Every other one of our starters goes 7 or 8 innings. I don't know what else you expect from a 5 guy. Ask Astros fans if they'd love to have Wade Miller back.
Baseball Guru
06-24-2005, 10:52 AM
well, you do want a guy to come into the rotation and be effective. you dont want a guy with a 12 ERA and then say "OH THANK GOD ITS A MIRACLE HES EVEN PITCHING" cause who cares if he can phsyically be capable of pitching, you need a guy to be effective.


Agreed...

If they didnt think he could pitch or be effective then they shouldn't have signed him.... I think the "take what you can get from him" theory is a little whack...

I think he will be ok overall.. He has been a little inconsistent thus far but he did pitch well enough his last start to win....
rockin500
06-24-2005, 11:46 AM
he's a number 5 starter james. take what you can get from him and be happy. If you get 8-12 wins and have an ERA under 4.75 averaging around 6 innings a start as a #5 starter, you are doing your job.

remember, when they signed him, he wasnt expected to produce until right around now.
Baseball Guru
06-27-2005, 12:10 AM
You are right Ray.. Everything you say is right!

No further need to argue with you.. You are the man.. :hail:Oh Great Ray!
Thedatch
06-27-2005, 12:12 AM
You are right Ray.. Everything you say is right!

No further need to argue with you.. You are the man.. :hail:Oh Great Ray!

guru going soft...?