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Tigers#1
08-05-2005, 04:54 PM
NCAA American Indian mascot ban will begin Feb. 1
Associated Press


INDIANAPOLIS -- The NCAA banned the use of American Indian mascots by sports teams during its postseason tournaments, but will not prohibit them otherwise.

The NCAA's executive committee decided this week the organization did not have the authority to bar Indian mascots by individual schools, committee chairman Walter Harrison said Friday.

Nicknames or mascots deemed "hostile or abusive" would not be allowed on team uniforms or other clothing beginning with any NCAA tournament after Feb. 1, said Harrison, the University of Hartford's president.

"What each institution decides to do is really its own business" outside NCAA championship events, Harrison said.

"What we are trying to say is that we find these mascots to be unacceptable for NCAA championship competition," he added.

At least 18 schools have mascots the NCAA deem "hostile or abusive," including Florida State's Seminole and Illinois' Illini. The full list of schools was not immediately released.

Not all schools with Indian-related nicknames are on that list. NCAA officials said some schools using the Warrior nickname do not use Indian symbols and would not be affected.

North Carolina-Pembroke, which uses the nickname Braves, will not face sanctions. NCAA president Myles Brand explained said the school's student body has historically admitted a high percentage of American Indians and more than 20 percent of the students are American Indians.

Schools on the list could still appeal.

"I suspect that some of those would like to having a ruling on that," Brand said. "But unless there is a change before Feb. 1, they will have to abide by it."

Major college football teams also would not be subjected to the new rules because there is no NCAA Divsion I-A tournament or playoff.



Vernon Bellecourt, president of the National Coalition on Racism in Sports and Media, was pleased with the postseason ban but had hoped for even stronger action.

"We would have hoped the NCAA would have provided the moral leadership on this issue, but obviously they've chosen to only go halfway," said Bellecourt, a member of the Anishinabe-Ojibwe Nation in Minnesota.

The NCAA two years ago recommended that schools determine for themselves whether the Indian depictions were offensive.

Florida State, for example, has received permission from the Seminole tribe in Florida to use the nickname. That, however, will not suffice.

"Other Seminole tribes are not supportive," said Charlotte Westerhaus, the NCAA vice president for diversity and inclusion.

Among the schools to change nicknames in recent years over such concerns were St. John's (from Redmen to Red Storm) and Marquette (from Warriors to Golden Eagles).

At the University of North Dakota, where the Fighting Sioux nickname has come under fire, officials said they wanted to study the decision before commenting.

"We just don't have enough information to know exactly what it means," said Phil Harmeson, a senior associate to school president Charles Kupchella.

The NCAA plans to ban schools using Indian nicknames from hosting postseason events. Harrison said schools with such mascots that have already been selected as tournament sites would be asked to cover any offensive logos.

Such logos also would be prohibited at postseason games on cheerleader and band uniforms starting in 2008.

Other measures approved this week include stronger penalties for schools that repeatedly fall below the NCAA's new academic cutline. Harrison said schools would receive a warning letter the first year; restrictions on scholarships, recruiting and playing time the second year; and a postseason ban the third year. If a school fails to meet the standard four consecutive years, all teams at that school would be ineligible for postseason play.

"I'd fully expect that we never get to the fourth year," Harrison said. "A school should take stronger action before that. But I think this should send a message that there will be real, serious consequences if you don't."

Schools also would receive a bonus point if a player returns to school to complete his or her degree.

The board also approved a two-year contract extension for Brand. His deal was to run through Dec. 31, 2007 and now includes an indefinite two-year rollover.

Tigers#1
08-06-2005, 12:40 PM
NCAA mascot ban doesn't mean squatBy Ray Ratto
Special to ESPN.com


When I think "thought police," I think "NCAA." After all, if you can see to it that performers and customers can only drink from cups with the "NCAA" logo at an NCAA event, you've got some big hammer.

Thus, it was interesting to see the organization whose motto is, "You Pay To Do It Our Way" declaring that Indian mascots will be banned from NCAA events. It's a move that actually doesn't make the NCAA money, so you can imagine our surprise when the organization actually moved on it.


Chief Osceola is a pre-game tradition at Florida States football games
After all, whatever else you want to say about Bob Knight, he's onto something when he calls the NCAA a monopoly.

But here's the other interesting thing about the decision, a halfway measure designed to irritate everyone with an opinion on the matter: It opens up lots of other refreshing possibilities.

Starting with the inevitable PETA lawsuit, demanding the elimination of the Tigers, Bengals, Lions, Golden Lions, Nittany Lions, Wildcats, Cougars, Panthers, Golden Panthers, Bearcats, Bearkats, Bobcats, Leopards, Jaguars, Catamounts, Wolfpack, Wolf Pack, Seawolves, Lobos, Red Foxes, Terrapins, Huskies, Bulldogs, Runnin' Bulldogs, Great Danes, Terriers, Retrievers, Greyhounds, Razorbacks, Wolverines, Golden Gophers, Badgers, Buffaloes, Longhorns, Bulls, Thundering Herd, Bison, Bisons, Rams, Stags, Bruins, Bears, Black Bears, Golden Bears, Grizzlies, Golden Grizzlies, Mustangs, Broncs, Broncos, Blazers, Dragons, Gators, Mocs, Rattlers, Dolphins, Horned Frogs, Beavers, Jackrabbits, Kangaroos, Fighting Camels, Mastadons and Zips.

Or the Audubon Society, who would demand the end to Eagles, Purple Eagles, Golden Eagles, Golden Flashes, Cardinals, Bluejays, Hawks, Mountain Hawks, Fighting Hawks, Hawkeyes, Jayhawks, Skyhawks, Seahawks, Redhawks, Redbirds, Blackbirds, Thunderbirds, Owls, Ducks, Gamecocks, Falcons, Blue Hens, Phoenix, Peacocks, Roadrunners, Penguins and Chanticleers.

Or the insect freaks, who would target Hornets, Spiders and Anteaters

Or the church groups who want to get rid of the Demons, Demon Deacons, Blue Demons, Blue Devils, Sun Devils and Delta Devils. Or the anti-church groups, who would target the Demon Deacons, Saints, Crusaders and Friars.


What's next: Are the arborists going after Stanford's tree mascot?
Or the Weather Channel, aiming at the Hurricanes, Golden Hurricane, Cyclones, Green Wave, Crimson Tide (unless you want to go with the elephant motif) and Shockers.

Or Alcoholics Anonymous, aiming for the Boilermakers.

The point here, after those five wasted paragraphs, is that the NCAA, in an attempt to further sanitize its events from things that will neither make money nor keeps picketers away, has entered into a bizarre world in which it can bend the crueler reality -- that people get offended, sometimes with perfectly valid reasons, and corporations are particularly poor at dealing with those offenses.

Truth is, the NCAA hid behind "institutional control," the same thing that allows it the convenience of not thoroughly policing its members when it comes to academic performance, illegal inducements, performance-enhancing drugs and all the hard choices that the individual schools too often don't make on their own. The NCAA can look like it is doing something while doing essentially nothing, a task at which it is particularly skilled.

Either the NCAA finds Native American mascots to be offensive, abusive, etc., on their face, or it doesn't. If it does, then it asks for complaints from the Native Americans, from the above groups, plus the Greeks, the Irish, the armed services, the Daughters of the American Revolution, and the Crayola people. If they can regulate mascots, they can regulate them all, in all circumstances, for whatever reason, right or wrong.

And if it does not find Native American mascots to be sufficiently offensive, abusive, etc., it has no business going down the road at all. There is no halfway stance here for public relations points, to get out of a legal squeeze, or anything else. You either stand up or you don't, because squatting doesn't work.

In the meantime, the NCAA will now return to its more traditional role -- trying to keep Bob Knight out of committee rooms, and Gatorade in only the correct cups.

Ray Ratto of the San Francisco Chronicle is a regular contributor to ESPN.com

Big R
08-06-2005, 03:09 PM
whats with these stupid bans

Baseball Guru
08-12-2005, 02:37 PM
Banning for only postseason games is one of the most stupid things I have ever seen... Doesnt the NCAA have anything better to do with their time?

Durango53
08-12-2005, 02:47 PM
The question I have is where does it stop?

What about the Fighting Irish? They are going to have to change the name of that team.

And then PETA will get upset of the names of animals mulling each other so then those will have to change.

What about Ohio? If they win all the time fine but you dont want them to fall or the tree huggers will get mad so they will have to change there name....

So what does that leave? The Ohio Red? Wyoming Brown? UCLA Gold?

Tigers#1
08-12-2005, 02:57 PM
The thing that bugs me the most is that most of these Native American groups love being embraced by these team names. There might be a small group here or there who may not like it, then these PC fanatics use them as their resonings. I could maybe understand the Redskins, but even that could just stand for potatos.