Fire Mike Tice

[Timberwolf]

I hate writing this thread to begin with. I happen to like Tice as a person and I like to see a guy like him succeed. With that said, it's time that the Vikings just let him go and pray for the best that Ted Cotrell, Vikings defensive coordinator, has a clue in his audition for next year. Cotrell can't be any worse than Tice. Actually, I think he is ready to coach and he should be coaching in the NFL by now.

As for Tice, he has a great work ethic and he is a nice man. A guy you like to see succeed. With that said, this team is unprepared, outworked, and have zero solutions to adversity. Great coaches find a way. I just don't think Tice has solutions and he does not have any ability to solve the team's problems. This has gone on for the last three years.

It's time for a change.

BTW, what did the state of Minnesota do to deserve to have three underachieving sportsd teams in a calendar year. First, the Timberwolves was supposed to win it all yet they miss the playoffs. Second, the Twins was supposed to win it all, but they are likely going to finish with a losing record. Now, the Vikings. What's in the water of the 10,000 Land of Lakes? Minnesotans are the most humble sports fans unlike NY, Boston, LA, or Chicago sports fans.

[Tigers#1]

You want the tin man as a head coach? The Lions will let you have him.

If the Lions weren't playing in the NL West of the NFL, I'd give up on the season already. Worst game I've ever seen anyteam play.

[Timberwolf]

Mooch is not as bad as Tice.

With that said, Mooch has been dissapointing with the Lions. I thought he would do a lot better. I thought he was solid with the Niners especially when they had to rebuild.

[Timberwolf]

http://www.miketicesucks.com/index.php

Already 100 people wrote (my post is #100) about calling for Tice to go. They want him gone. They have lost faith about him coaching his team and preparing his team. I can't blame them. He is way over his head and coaches outwork and outcoach him each week. He is just too incompetent for his own good.

[Big R]

tice isnt that bad him and moss had a good relationship so its not his fault moss was traded and thats why the vikings are garbage and culpper is a bum because the best receiver in the league isnt on there team no more

[Durango53]

Big R how can you say Culpepper is a bumm because he dont have Moss?

Did you know that Culpepper threw for 4000+ yards last year and that was with Moss hurt most of the season. Moss only caught about 700 yards last year. So that would tell me the problem is somewhere else.

And that problem is with the O-Line. No QB can do anything if the O-line gives him no time.

[LesPaul]

http://www.miketicesucks.com/index.php

Already 100 people wrote (my post is #100) about calling for Tice to go. They want him gone. They have lost faith about him coaching his team and preparing his team. I can't blame them. He is way over his head and coaches outwork and outcoach him each week. He is just too incompetent for his own good.

Judging by the web address listed I would say there was an unfair amount of initial bias already existing at the website.

You go fishing around on the net at such addresses and you are bound to find exactly what the address advertises with no room for logical reasoning by either side.

[>TC<]

Great point, Les.

Wow - 100 people (assuming some didn't post twice) post that Tice should be gone. Considering MN is a state with 4 million people that must be significant ..... ???



TC

[Durango53]

And how many was out of state?

I am one I guess who doest really care one way or the other.

The fact is this team needs one man and that one man is gone and that is what is killing this team....


And no that man isnt Moss.

It is Matt Birk.... I think we are seeing what a solid center means to this team and with a new center and a rookie guard is what is killing this team so far.

[Durango53]

I to aint a fan of firing a coach in a middle of a season. But if it did happen I could see Ted being the new HC just because there is no one out there I feel that could fill the spot and be worth a turd or any better than Tice is doing right now. Just my feelings.

[Nanner]

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Wow - 100 people (assuming some didn't post twice) post that Tice should be gone. Considering MN is a state with 4 million people that must be significant ..... ???



TC

:D And an excellent point from you, there, TC! :thumbsup:

And D, I was thinking the same thing. Matt Birk was a real leader. I see him being gone as the major problem with the O line.

:(

[LesPaul]

Like it has been mentioned around the thread already I think a big deal too is the O-Cordinator being on the sideline... When you realize how big of a disadvantage that is you can see how big of an edge the other team already gains going into the game.

The announcers on Sunday kept claiming that Culpepper has only seen one type of coverage his entire time in the NFL since, apparently, the defenses have only used one type of coverage in all 7 years of Moss being in the NFL. I don't think this has any weight being Moss missed a lot of time last season and Culpepper still put up huge numbers. But I think what may be happening is having the O-Cordinator on the sideline he is unable to relay accurate coverages to Culpepper and has to wait until film to go over the coverages at all. (I recall many times seing QB's talking on the phone while holding pic's of the different coverages in between series... how many times have you seen that this season with Culpepper? None.) I think this leaves Culpepper frustrated and thinking way too much since he may be in a position to fully analyze each coverage every play, adapt, and constantly think of ways to beat it. In a since Culpepper has a better view of the coverage when you usually have the O-Cordinator that has the best view and can readily "fill in the gaps" for the QB's. Maybe I am all off but this is what I think might be happening with Culpeppers early demise.

[imgreat95]

and since we all know that pro teams fire their coach based on w hat the fans want...

[Durango53]

I heard that to Ryan and that was the same thoughts I had.

No way Culpepper saw most of that last year when Moss was out.

And ya Nancy I think Birk's absnets is killing this team. He is saying he wants to get back on the sideline to help all he can and this is a must. Funny how they was talking of letting Birk go and now I think they see how much he is this team and a safty blanket.

And come on Shawn dont you know that all owners and coachs read message boards and web sites to do what the fans want!!!!!! :D

[00_Agent]

If they didn't, I wouldn't bother posting on here!!! :cool:

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[imgreat95]

yeah... well.. maybe it just took the Pirates about 4 years to get around to reading this one...

[Durango53]

There is a ton of them out there so it takes time to find this one. :D

Now I wish the Rockies would find it...... :(

[Timberwolf]

tice isnt that bad him and moss had a good relationship so its not his fault moss was traded and thats why the vikings are garbage and culpper is a bum because the best receiver in the league isnt on there team no more

Tice isn't that bad, eh. Then how come the Vikings come out unprepared almost every game. That's awful coaching, isn't it.

Randy Moss is not the reason why the Vikings stink. Sure Randy would have given us points, but it would not mean the Vikigns would win games. Bottom line, this team misses Scott Linehan (the ofefnsive coordinator), Matt Birk, and the Whizznator (Onterrio Smith).

[Timberwolf]

Judging by the web address listed I would say there was an unfair amount of initial bias already existing at the website.

You go fishing around on the net at such addresses and you are bound to find exactly what the address advertises with no room for logical reasoning by either side.

Yes, but don't you think someone would have defended him too. I defended Tice last year, but I can't anymore.

[Timberwolf]

Wow - 100 people (assuming some didn't post twice) post that Tice should be gone. Considering MN is a state with 4 million people that must be significant ..... ???

Well that board was formed on Sunday right during the game. I happen to know the webmaster of that site since I know him from his site at LakeStateFishing.com Now, it's 152 and counting.

At Rube Chat, I know a lot of people that want him dead. You would be hard-pressed to find someone say good things about Tice.

Tom Barnard, my favorite radio personality, on KQRS said it best that Rich Kotite is better than Mike Tice. I can't believe I am agreeing with him on this, but he might be right.

[Timberwolf]

and since we all know that pro teams fire their coach based on w hat the fans want...

Well in some cases, it can work. I recalled White Sox fans calling for Terry Bevington's head never mind that he did a great job over there. Those fans were sending death threats to him and his wife back then. How about the Giants? Giants fans were all over Ray Handley never mind that he did a very good job in his two years coaching the New York Giants. He got the most out of nothing with that team. That team was old and slow back then. Giants fans were so relentless that Ray Handley had to leave NY and move to Colorado just so he can be anonymous. Those fans are the reason why Ray Handley is not coaching in the NFL. The guy was a very good coach who should have been treated better.

[Pickles84]

I don't know if anyone noticed, but last season, if something went wrong, Tice would rip off his headset, go to the player and start chewing him out. This season, I have not seen him yell once; not even an angered expression. He hasn't even expressed any worries during games. What has happened to the fiery Mike Tice?
I don't know , but that anger seemed to jump start everyone he yelled at. It was 'fuel'. And if he ain't yellin', the players ain't gettin' 'fuel'.
Now this is just my opinion, but if Mike Tice doesn't start getting angry at mistakes, the team and his job security is in serious trouble.

[LesPaul]

Yes, but don't you think someone would have defended him too. I defended Tice last year, but I can't anymore.

Why waste our time peddling in biased waters. We often have to defend so many things already in what time we do have to mingle online and I think most of us grow tired of it.

[645]

I being a player of Fantasy Football.

I can also agree Fire Him. :evillol

[Timberwolf]

Pickles: My guess is Tice is frustrated and that he can't come up with answers at this point. That's probably why you are not seeing him act like that.

[Pickles84]

That may be. But I think yelling at bad plays is essential to motivate a team. If all you do is say "All right, good job guys, we'll get 'em next time", your team is going to suffer. Sure, it gives the team confidence, but it gives them no motivation.
Right now, the Vikings do need confidence, but the need motivation 20x more.

[Timberwolf]

http://firetice.blogspot.com/

Enjoy and no, it's not me who did this site.

[Tigers#1]

I think every head coach in sports has their own "fire_" website. Even Bellichek has one i bet.

[Timberwolf]

I don't think Belichick has one yet. There is no way he would and if he does, that webmaster who created that Fire Belichick site has no clue about football period. I think most coaches have their own fire website when they stink and not get the most out of the talent like Dave Wannstedt the last two years.

There was a fire Gruden website believe it or not after the Bucs made the playoffs the year after the Super Bowl. That was funny.

Here is a fire Coach Cowher site at www.firecoachcowher.com

[Tigers#1]

What do 4 world sereis titles get you, your own website:

www.firejoetorre.com

[Timberwolf]

To be fair, that site actually supports Joe Torre. The webmaster created the site just so no one can create the site to fire Torre. Personally, he should have not done that if he meant that way. I don't think any professional manager would want to be humiliated with the fact someone created a site to get that manager fired.

[Timberwolf]

http://www.firemiketicenow.com/

Brand new website

All great points too.

[LesPaul]

i found this one too: fifteenyroldsthatliketogripe.com

[rockin500]

*shrug* firing him now would be pointless as it wouldnt serve any purpose other than to put tice out of his misery. otherwise, there really isnt too much point in firing him when you would likely have to fire said interim coach anyways after the season.

[Durango53]

To add on to Rays point and again we ask you........... Who? Who is there to replace him? An old retread that would be a step backwards! But then again that seems to be more of what you want.

But I did humor you and went to the site. And to quote you "A great point" and to quote the web site now....

# Speaking of being forced out of the pocket...

* Who’s idea was it to tell Culpepper to not run forward? That was one of the stronger points of this football team, now in two games he has ran only five times and is trying to force passes into holes and gaps the size of a gnat’s asshole.
* And don't give me some crap about his knee hurting. It wasn't huring in week 1, now was it?
* RUN DAUNTE RUN!

Ya that is a GREAT point huh....... Now this team dont have there Pro-Bowl QB for this season and what could turn out to be most of next season.

Oh here is a great one with some great insite.

# Don’t the coordinators work for the head coach?

* If you were arguably one of the elite employees at your organization and you were the one that made your company thrive and prosper would you not expect your boss to do everything within his power to keep you there? Not Tice, he would rather see Linehan walk than to have fought to keep him with the squad.
o My assumption is that Meathead was threatened by Linehan and knew that Linehan would supplant him.
* More said, Linehan was Meathead's only chance of remaining the head coach!
* To date Miami has 5 TD’s to our one. Don’t seem to awfully bad, but we are the Vikings; The offensive juggernaut (supposed to be anyway) of the NFL.
* I wonder if there is a brain in the center of that 75 pound buttsteak that sits atop his shoulders?

I think this meat head forgot who was the owner and didnt want to pay crap for a coach. So how in the world did he come up to blame Tice for Linehan leaving!?!?!? Ya solid point here if you forget the real reason Linehan left. :hmm:

One voice out there to go with your other 50 that you started this thread with. We are up to big numbers now WOW. A whole 50.....

[>TC<]

Shad,

Did you realize that you talking about their IQ, as well as their numbers?



TC

[Durango53]

:notme: what do you do?

[PissedPrincess]

While I agree that firing him mid-season doesn't do much, after reading the cold hard football facts article, I just don't think Tice should be the guy moving forward.

[>TC<]

I don't know if he is the guy or not, but firing him now wouldn't do anything.

What people don't understand is how disfunctional this team was under McCombs. He was operating on a shoestring budget. Up until 2005, when he was spending someone else's money , he ran $20-30 million under the cap for three consectutive years. The front office was bare bones. We didn't have a GM, there were no fulltime scouts and no director of scouting, no security man, the coaching staff was the lowest paid in the league. Tice wasn't consulted or told of the Moss trade until it was completed. When Linehan got the offer from Miami, Tice was told he not only couldn't make a counter offer to him, but he couldn't even go outside the organization to hire a new OC - he had to hire from within, doubling up the job with someones other duties, and they wouldn't get much of a raise to take the job..

The only way that Tice could stay on is:
1. to lose most of the 17 unrestricted FAs, cut some other players, and start over with your core.
2. hire a quality coaching staff and pay them well
3.give him the authority to dicipline the players.

I still don't know if that would be enough, but it would be the only chance he'd have. Either way, Tice or a new guy need to make big changes on this roster.


TC

[PissedPrincess]

So TC, are you saying Tice really doesn't have the authority to do what he wants, i.e. discipline players? If so, I have a right to change my opinion. :)

[Durango53]

I am with you TC on not knowing if Tice is the guy.

When Linehan was there the offense was great. It seems to me he might be a good head coach if he has the right guys around him. With Red he couldnt get hardly anyone around him.

And as Mark said there is much about this team that just wasnt reported on. Even the Comish of the NFL seems shocked at the lack of what the Vikings was doing or had with Red.

[Durango53]

Hell PP they couldnt even fix the air conditioning in the head quarters when it went out.

[>TC<]

Tice was just given the authority to discipline players under Zygi. He said it himself in a recent press conference. Before that, he had to contact Red's righthand boy who oversaw the team and then that guy would talk it over with Red, then get back to Mike.


TC

[Durango53]

That is why you are the Man TC!!!! I didnt know that also....