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imgreat95
10-23-2005, 09:41 PM
Should be ashamed of themselves.

CINCINNATI -- Seeking to validate their heady 5-1 start with a victory against the division's long-time bullies, and to legitimize themselves as a viable playoff contender, the Cincinnati Bengals termed Sunday's matchup here against the Pittsburgh Steelers a "measuring stick" moment.


Given what transpired at rainy Paul Brown Stadium, though, the Bengals will probably recall the lopsided 27-13 defeat more as a whipping stick game.


"It was like we got hit with a 2x4," acknowledged Bengals rookie middle linebacker Odell Thurman. "They brought the wood. They played with a purpose. They whupped us pretty good. It was like they came in here with an attitude and (determined) to deliver a message, you know?"


And that message, that the Steelers remain the franchise to beat in the AFC North even if the upstart Bengals still look like a talented team on the rise and continue to hold a half-game edge in the division despite Sunday's thorough thrashing, was delivered with all the subtlety of an uppercut to the gut.


As the Steelers exited through the visitor's tunnel following their dominating victory, one of the legion of diehard Pittsburgh fans who made the drive here dangled a hand-lettered placard which read: "This is Steelers' country." The army of Steelers supporters roared as linebacker Joey Porter spied the sign and acknowledged it with a thumbs up. For much of the day, however, it was the Bengals who were squirming under the thumbs of a Steelers team which aggressive style is perhaps equaled only by its mental toughness.


The victory was the 10th straight road win for the Steelers, a team that considers itself the personification of a big needle stuck into the hot air balloon upstart franchises are forever attempting to launch, and a bunch that thrives on playing in hostile places. Cincinnati has become a difficult environ the last two years, but the Steelers made things look easy.


"When our backs are to the wall," said wide receiver Hines Ward, "that's when we're the most dangerous. We're not a team that worried about (statistics). We worry about wins, that's it, really. And this was a big, big win. Basically, what it said is that the (division) championship still comes through Pittsburgh. You want other teams to know that."


Said the always emotional Porter: "We restored some order (to the division) today."


Coming off a difficult overtime home defeat to Jacksonville -- and a controversial week in which backup quarterback Tommy Maddox contended that his children were harassed in school and his front yard trashed after he threw an interception that was returned for the winning touchdown by Jaguars cornerback Rashean Mathis -- it might have been easy for Steelers players to have harbored some residual disappointment. But in the Saturday night team meeting, coach Bill Cowher stoked the flames when he reminded his players that they are still the defending division champions, that they always play with a bull's eye on their collective chest, and that Sunday's game was essentially being viewed by the Bengals as a rite of passage.


He should have termed it a rite of "runnage," since Pittsburgh essentially trampled the Bengals in typical Steelers fashion, controlling the tempo with a brutal ground attack that totaled 221 yards on 47 rushes.


Bengals coach Marvin Lewis, a former Cowher assistant, allowed that the game was a learning experience for his young team. But until Cincinnati learns how to ratchet up the intensity against the Steelers, a team that always resorts back to the fundamentals and characteristically leans on its trademark smash-mouth approach in key games, the Bengals won't take the next step forward.


"I know they treated this like a measuring stick, to see how they compared to us," said Steelers strong safety Troy Polamalu. "And we wanted to see how we stacked up to them, as sort of the new kids on the block. It was like they wanted a piece of us, and we came out to show them, hey, that's not necessarily a good thing to wish for. Once we got past some early rough spots, we just took over, and it became a Steelers kind of game."


That's for sure.


Responding to some not-so-veiled criticism from Cowher after last week's defeat, the Pittsburgh offensive line manhandled the Cincinnati front seven, creating big creases for tailbacks Willie Parker (18 carries, 131 yards, one touchdown), Jerome Bettis (56 yards on 13 rushes) and Verron Haynes (11 attempts for 35 yards). Parker's 37-yard burst over the right side, midway through the third quarter, lifted the Steelers into a 17-6 lead and it was obvious at that point the Bengals could not recover.


The performance marked a comeback of sorts for Parker, who has managed to retain his starting spot despite the presence of Bettis and Duce Staley, two higher-profile tailbacks. It hasn't hurt, of course, that Staley has been injured and was inactive again Sunday, and some suspect he will have a difficult time getting back on the field. Notably quicker than his tailback counterparts, Parker rushed for 272 yards and a 5.8-yard average per carry in his first two starts of the season, but had eked out just 45.3 yards and an anemic 2.8 yards per attempt over the last three outings.


But with Parker providing the dash, and Bettis the smash, the Cincinnati defense could not get itself off the field. The Steelers had only five more snaps (62-57) than the Bengals but built up a time-of-possession advantage of more than 10 minutes (35:29-24:31). With the running game back in gear, Steelers quarterback Ben Roethlisberger registered a mere 14 pass attempts, completing nine for 93 yards, with scoring tosses of two yards to rookie tight end Heath Miller and of four yards to Ward.


In his 18 regular-season career starts, Roethlisberger, who sat out last week's loss with a hyperextended left knee, has averaged just 20.8 attempts. Only thrice has Roethlisberger been forced to throw more than 25 passes in a game. In seven starts, Roethlisberger has fewer than 20 attempts, and Sunday marked the second game this season that Pittsburgh has won with its quarterback throwing fewer than 15 passes.


"That's just us," said offensive right tackle Max Starks. "Nothing fancy. Play our style, don't panic, do what we do. Beat up on people, make enough plays in the passing game, and kind of impose our will on (our opponents). Not a bad formula."


Not bad at all, particularly when the defensive component is factored in as well, and it was against a Cincinnati offense that entered the contest statistically rated No. 2 in the league and averaging 25.8 points per game, the NFL's fifth-best mark.


Pittsburgh dodged a bullet early on when Cowher challenged a would-be touchdown grab by wide receiver Chad Johnson, and officials overturned the original call, ruling his elbow landed outside the end zone before he got both feet down. Normally reliable kicker Shayne Graham subsequently missed a 30-yard chip shot field goal to totally botch the opening drive. In fact, the high-octane Bengals offense notched just two Graham field goals, of 26 and 39 yards until Carson Palmer scored from four yards out with just under two minutes remaining in the game, long after the outcome was determined.


The signature defensive play for the Steelers came early in the third quarter when free safety Chris Hope intercepted a pass intended deep up the right seam for wide receiver T.J. Houshmandzadeh, and returned it 55 yards to the Cincinnati 15-yard line. The theft came just three plays after Bengals cornerback Tory James had picked off Roethlisberger to give Cincinnati possession in Pittsburgh territory.


Playing deep in a "Cover 3" zone, Hope made a terrific break on the ball, then picked himself up after stumbling, and rumbled down the left sideline.


"I got a lot of help on the play," Hope said, "but, sure, I'd like to think it was a play that changed the momentum and broke their back. When our offense turns it over like that, we always want to try to get the ball back. I think it stunned them some. But I think we had them guessing a lot with how we were playing in the secondary."


“ They whupped us pretty good. It was like they came in here with an attitude and (determined) to deliver a message, you know?”
—Bengals LB Odell Thurman

Indeed, it was a strong performance turned in by a unit that, until just before game time, was uncertain of who would start at cornerback, because of injuries. What was certain since late in the week was that the Steelers, in a deviation for this coaching staff, would have third-year cornerback Ike Taylor, quickly emerging as a big-time cover defender, shadow Johnson all over the field. Not since Rod Woodson was in his prime has Cowher made such a call, but Taylor is developing into a clutch performer, and the secondary into a standout unit.


Johnson was limited to four catches for 94 yards, but 47 of those yards came on the final possession of the game, when the Steelers were playing soft.


The secondary limited Palmer to 21 completions in 36 attempts, for 227 yards, with no touchdown passes and two interceptions, and at least three more near-interceptions that were dropped. Palmer was sacked twice and his 53.8 efficiency rating was his worst of the season. In fact, the Steelers snapped Palmer's string of nine straight starts with a passer rating of 100 or more, which tied an NFL record.


The Steelers' defense was especially dominant in the second half. The Hope interception began a stretch in which Cincinnati managed a scant three first downs on five possessions and notched just 44 yards over that period. The stretch of futility, which finally ended with the meaningless 79-yard touchdown drive in the waning minute, included a pair of interceptions and three punts.


Not only did the Steelers shut down the pass, but they stuffed the run, too, limiting the Bengals to 91 yards for the day. Cincinnati star tailback Rudi Johnson was notably less than thrilled about getting only a dozen carries (for 65 yards), or the fact Cincinnati had just 19 rushes in the game. But if the Bengals' approach to what everyone figured would be a battle of attrition was confusing, the Cincinnati offense usually just looked confused.


It was arguably the most flummoxed Palmer -- a player some media members are touting as a most valuable player candidate -- has been in a long time. And his confusion clearly lingered long after the game ended.


In a statement that left one wondering if Palmer had any clue as to what happened here on Sunday, or if he had suffered a concussion that brought upon an attack of amnesia, he contended that the Bengals were still a "better team" than the Steelers.


Cincinnati will get another chance to back up that strange rhetoric on Dec. 4, when the two division rivals play again at Heinz Field. Next time, Cincinnati might want to think about showing up ready to dodge that whipping stick with which it got smacked Sunday.


"You want to measure up to us, then you better measure up to our intensity," Porter said. "Because in these so-called 'statement games,' we're the team that's usually making the biggest statement."


Len Pasquarelli is a senior NFL writer for ESPN.com. To check out Len's chat archive, click here .

Baseball Guru
10-23-2005, 09:51 PM
Shame on those that picked Denver to beat the Giants;)


:D

imgreat95
10-23-2005, 09:56 PM
i think that was one of the games where i flipped a coin...

I just cant believe how Palmer POSSIBLY still thinks that the Bengals are the better team.

Baseball Guru
10-23-2005, 10:03 PM
Cincy is a good team but definitely not the BETTER team..

I was on the fence on this game but went with Cincy more so because they were at home and when I made the pick I wasnt sure on big Ben's status....

imgreat95
10-23-2005, 10:24 PM
Cincy is a very over rated team. The teams they have beaten have won a total of 5 games this season. They do some things well, but they are still not a good defensive team. Especially against the run. I tihnk that people are also forgetting that this is still the same team that was 15-1 last season, and that we could very easily be sitting at 6-0 right now just as easily as we are sitting at 4-2.

Timberwolf
10-24-2005, 02:38 AM
I am not ashamed of picking Cincy and I will pick the Bengals the next time they play the Steelers. I simply think they are better than the Steelers.

I am also not ashamed of Denver beating the Giants. Denver's D simply did not play their game today. I will pick the Giants to lose next week and two weeks from now.

Eva
10-24-2005, 03:42 AM
I am not ashamed of picking Cincy and I will pick the Bengals the next time they play the Steelers. I simply think they are better than the Steelers.

I am also not ashamed of Denver beating the Giants. Denver's D simply did not play their game today. I will pick the Giants to lose next week and two weeks from now.
How?

While I also pick the Bengals to win Sunday contest. I was pretty sure that the Steelers were going to exploit the Bengals' weak rush defense and they did just that with Parker rushing for 100 plus yards and the Steeler team combine rushed for 200 plus yards. So, the Steelers attacked their weakness very effectively. I thought Palmer, Rudy and Chad Johnson would have down more, but the Steeler defense just shut them down completely.

I'm not sure why Palmer is saying they're a better team. His team defense obviously has it's weakness while the Steelers are a more complete team since they can run, pass and play team defense. So, it's beyond me why he's saying they're better. Palmer can be happy his team has an extra win, but since the Bengals have been playing weak teams up to this point while the Steelers have to deal with teams like Jaguars and their defense and Patriots, it's obvious Palmer is a bit cocky and ignorant.

Didn't matter if Big Ben was there or not. I knew the Steelers were going to rush the ball majority of the time. If Ben was not the starter, then Steelers more than likely would have rushed the ball even more than they did.

Timberwolf
10-24-2005, 06:07 AM
I thought the Bengals defense would be good enough to stop Ben and the offense. I figure Ben would be rusty. Give the Steelers credit for playing well and stepping up. I just felt it was Cincy's time to make a statement and they were at home too.

Baseball Guru
10-24-2005, 08:37 AM
I will pick the Giants to lose next week and two weeks from now.


Good, then you will have a couple of more losses in your picks;)

Washington at home will be a tough game but I feel pretty good about our chances in San Fran:D

rockin500
10-24-2005, 09:43 AM
Good, then you will have a couple of more losses in your picks;)

Washinton at home will be a tough game but I feel pretty good about our chances in San Fran:D
if washington can hang 52 points on someone, then i think the giants will be jusssssst fine against the niners.

PissedPrincess
10-24-2005, 11:00 AM
i think that was one of the games where i flipped a coin...

I just cant believe how Palmer POSSIBLY still thinks that the Bengals are the better team.

I can't believe Joey Porter thinks his team won the Superbowl last year. His post-game quote : "We are still the Champions till someone knocks us off."

:laff:

imgreat95
10-24-2005, 01:24 PM
Jacqui, he is talking about champions of the AFC North.

PissedPrincess
10-24-2005, 01:31 PM
Champions of the North? :laff: What is that? That is the funniest thing I ever heard.

I could just imagine some Patriot saying hey we are defending Champs of the East! Belichick would have them assassinated.

imgreat95
10-24-2005, 01:36 PM
It is about the North because the Bengals spent the entire week and the postseason talking about how they are the class of the division. Last I checked, the first step in making it to the playoffs is to win your division, so yeah.. it is pretty relevent considering how the Bengals were talking and still are.

PissedPrincess
10-24-2005, 01:43 PM
So I guess Cleveland is the only team in that division that doesn't talk?

imgreat95
10-24-2005, 01:46 PM
cleveland doesnt have anything to talk about.

With the exception of Lee Flowers almost 5 years ago, the Steelers dont talk trash before games. They let their play talk for them. Porter sometimes talks after games, but it is mostly in reference to what other teams have said. You won't find anyone else on this team talking. Not any more than what the Patriots do.

I Are Baboon
10-24-2005, 02:00 PM
Yeah, in hindsight maybe picking Cincinnati wasn't the best pick I made all week. Then again, if you're so confident Pittsburgh was going to pound them, I am sure you put a ton of money on the game and made a fortune. ;)

Even though Cincy got spanked, it is nice to see them doing so much better after years of getting their asses kicked week after week. Their fans finally have something to cheer about. I know how they feel. Being a Rams fan, I went through a decade of hell in the late 80's into the 90's.

PissedPrincess
10-24-2005, 02:02 PM
Yeah, in hindsight maybe picking Cincinnati wasn't the best pick I made all week. Then again, if you're so confident Pittsburgh was going to pound them, I am sure you put a ton of money on the game and made a fortune. ;)

Even though Cincy got spanked, it is nice to see them doing so much better after years of getting their asses kicked week after week. Their fans finally have something to cheer about. I know how they feel. Being a Rams fan, I went through a decade of hell in the late 80's into the 90's.

Totally agree. I'm psyched Cincy is doing well. I know exactly how their fans feel. I'm a Pats fan. There is no feeling like having your organization get turned around. :thumbsup:

I Are Baboon
10-24-2005, 02:05 PM
There is no feeling like having your organization get turned around. :thumbsup:


and in my case, having your team get turned around and then head right back into the shitter. :wave1:

imgreat95
10-24-2005, 02:12 PM
Babs, just because you are so confident your team will win, does not mean you put money on them. I have never gambled money on a game, and never plan to. I k new a lot of people would pick Cincy, and honestly, I dont blame them. But, I knew that it wouldnt even be much of a game. Why? because the Bengals cant stop the run, and we have 3 or 4 running backs capable of running for over 100 yards in a game. Why else? Because the Steelers have won 10 straight road games. Why else? Because the Steelers thrive against the division. I dont think they have lost a division game since early in 2003. So yeah, I was extremely confident they would win.

Dont get me wrong. I like what the Bengals are doing. It makes for an exctiing week leading up to the game, and makes for some excitement within the division. We havent had a divisional game to much get excited about for a while. Its one thing to get up for the Ravens or the Browns because of the hatred you have for them. Its another to get up for a team because they are looking to become a good team.

cxlx
10-24-2005, 02:12 PM
and in my case, having your team get turned around and then head right back into the shitter. :wave1:

Im sorry. :) As long as Martz is the coach, they will forever be in the shitter.

imgreat95
10-24-2005, 02:16 PM
oh.. and Babs... you wont make much money picking on a game that doesnt have a line..;)

PissedPrincess
10-24-2005, 02:28 PM
Im sorry. :) As long as Martz is the coach, they will forever be in the shitter.

The Rams are not in the shitter. They have a lot of talent. Martz is better than half NFL coaches. They won a SB 5 years ago, and will make the playoffs again.

imgreat95
10-24-2005, 02:36 PM
the only problem I see with the Rams is that they dont seem to be getting any younger. Right now, half of their team is injured. Jackson has not stepped up at RB like most people thought he would. I think that Martz just needs to realize that they are not going to win football games in the same manner in which they did 4 and 5 years ago. I dont think he will realize that.

I Are Baboon
10-24-2005, 02:37 PM
oh.. and Babs... you wont make much money picking on a game that doesnt have a line..;)

There was no line on that game?

As far as Mike Martz goes, he coaches offense well enough to get the Rams into the playoffs, but he sucks coaching defense and can't even seem to hire someone well enough to do it either. As long as he is head coach, the Rams will not win another Super Bowl because their defense will always be near the bottom of the league.

imgreat95
10-24-2005, 02:44 PM
no. the line on tha game was PK. Basically, the home team will open as 3 point favorites, but then as people bet on the Steelers, it closes the line to the point where there wasnt one.

Timberwolf
10-24-2005, 06:57 PM
Washington at home will be a tough game but I feel pretty good about our chances in San Fran:D

I got the Giants beating the Vikings. Vikings never fare well outdoors and the Giants always seem to find a way to beat the Vikings. Giants D just own Daunte.

Timberwolf
10-24-2005, 07:11 PM
Mike Martz blows. He is as dumb as Mike Tice. Yeah his team went to the SB several years ago, but that team were Dick Vermeil's players. He is a lousy gameday coach and he makes mistakes to the point that he gets outcoached a lot. I thought the Rams should have beaten Carolina in the playoffs couple of years ago, but several decisions by Martz cost the Rams. I have known lot of Rams fans that can't wait to see him go.

Royce
10-24-2005, 09:13 PM
I got the Giants beating the Vikings. Vikings never fare well outdoors and the Giants always seem to find a way to beat the Vikings. Giants D just own Daunte.


I think you're forgetting how bad the Giants secondary is.

Timberwolf
10-24-2005, 09:18 PM
Giants can blitz though and Daunte has hard time with the blitz all season and even last year. Giants has had success with Daunte.