Emil Brown trade is complete...

[Jimbo21]

... to the Padres for two prospects. Link attached:

http://www.post-gazette.com/breaking/20010710bucstradenet5.asp

[imgreat95]

well.. i guess that we can't really complain about it too much. If he had not been traded today, then we would have totally lost him with absolutely nothing in return. I do not really call these guys "prospects" though as much as what I call them "minor leaguers"
does anyone think that a guy still playing at AA ball at the age of 25 is really going to help us too much? Or for that matter a guy who is playing A ball at the age of 22?

Either way, since we never gave up anything to GET Emil, we have nothing to lose.

[pmeares17]

:pout: goodbye emil at least they got a few somethings for him. :). an aging something and a aging hitting something :) not bad not bad :)

[Jimbo21]

Originally posted by pmeares17
:pout: goodbye emil at least they got a few somethings for him. :). an aging something and a aging hitting something :) not bad not bad :)


??? a 25 yr old reliever who has done well in AA and AAA tins year and a 22 yr old that is hitting over .300... they may not be top shelf, but they aren't in the trash heap either...

[Rick]

Emil had to go. While he really never had a full time position, he certainly was inconsistent when he did get a chance. As for the 2 guys the Pirates got, neither one was listed in the top 40 prospects for SD in a list that I saw. That doesn't mean that they won't develop, just that they are projects. the Pirates had nothing to lose by making this deal. Emil did nothing for the Bucs so anything they get of these guys would be a bonus. I wish they could have reacquired Kory DeHaan in the deal.

[Greymire]

Well I think he actually played well the few times he pplayed in consecutive games. I think if he had as much time playing as Bell, he would have been able to find a grove. SOme guys just do not play well off of the bench. I think that he will be a good player if San Diego lets him play every day for awhile. Everytime he had a good game, it seemed that Mac sat him for 2 days after.

[pmeares17]

at least it seems like loyd has stopped the insane roster rustling he was doing. i hated when he did that it seemed so obviously wrong to sit a guy whos hitting good for no reason.

welcome to the forum greymire thanks for stopping by. :)

[GiveHyzduashot]

Greymire .... welcome.

I like the Brown trade. He doesn't have any value with the Pirates, and at least the Pirates were capable of getting two decent players for him.

Shawn, I don't buy into the 25 year old at AA thing. While he is a rare exception, look at the Pirates own Adam Hyzdu. He was 25 in AA, and look at what he has done. While not every guy who is 25 playing AA ball will be successful, it's really unjustified to form an opinion on him solely on his age. Some players just develop later than others, that's all.

[Greymire]

:cool: I think the trade was needed, simply because he would not play here with Mac around. As for the prospects, we got all we could for a guy that hardly ever played. I just think hew will do well elsewhere and make us pay. As for Hydzu, I like the guy, but why are you comparing a guy to him? A 30 year old that still only has a few big league at bats? If you say he needs a shot, I agree. He plays well everytime he is up, but he gets limited time and is sent back down each time. Most guys with his numbers would have gotten a full time shot. We he does not warrant this, I haven't a clue. He should be playing everyday now and Bell should always sit. :angel2:

[GiveHyzduashot]

Greymire ... you misunderstood my comment. I didn't compare Hyzdu to Brown or the 25 year old prospect we got who is stuck in AA. I used Hyzdu as an example to show you can't judge a player by how old he is and what level he is in.

And he's not 30, he's 28.

[Jimbo21]

Originally posted by imgreat95
... does anyone think that a guy still playing at AA ball at the age of 25 is really going to help us too much? Or for that matter a guy who is playing A ball at the age of 22?


Actually, since the Padres system is fairly flush in young and developing pitchers, he might have just been in a backlog, the way that Giles was as an outfielder in Cleveland. His WHIP is low, strikeouts to walks are 4:1 and he was successful in AAA for the time he spent there... Shawn Camp is still a prospect at 25. Just because WE rush our young arms to the show too early, doesn't mean that every team does...

Besides, they are both named Shawn! That has got to be worth something! :biggrin:

[imgreat95]

i was just asking... honestly, i know nothing about these guys. I also know nothing about what the Padres minor league system is like.

All I know is that GENERALLY guys who are stuck in the low minors at that age usually don't turn into anything. I do realize that there are exceptions to every rule. Hopefully these guys can BE those exceptions.

and yes Jimbo, with names like that, how could they possibly fail?

[Greymire]

Originally posted by GiveHyzduashot
Greymire ... you misunderstood my comment. I didn't compare Hyzdu to Brown or the 25 year old prospect we got who is stuck in AA. I used Hyzdu as an example to show you can't judge a player by how old he is and what level he is in.

And he's not 30, he's 28.

I agree that you can not always judge a player by how old he is! Look at Vandy too! He has been up for awhile, but look how well he has done now that he has been given a chance to play everyday. By the way, I was rounding Hydzu's age up so I wasn't being totally fair. Adam was born on 12/06/71. Also I am a huge Hydzu fan. I really think he deserves to play somewhere due to his AAA stats the last few years. He also plays well everytime he is called up.