Winter Meetings

[PissedPrincess]

Be nice to accomplish something. Goddamn it's boring. :sleep:

[Royce]

I feel the same way. These Mets fans are getting to me. :angry:

[PissedPrincess]

I feel the same way. These Mets fans are getting to me. :angry:

The Mets. :laff: Why does Omar hate white dudes so much? Christ Almighty he's building Dominican North over there.

[Royce]

:laff: :laff:

[redsoxman]

I keep reading about how the Mets are really interested in Manny. After picking up Lo Duca from Florida, where is the Mets getting all of this payroll at? Is it just me, or did that team just implode with money the past couple of years? My guess is that they were sitting on some long contracts worth a lot of money in the past, and now that those players are gone, they got money to spend, which they are doing!

[Royce]

They're the new Yankees. The Yankees that Mets Fans hated and claimed they'd never want to be like.

[Eva]

Agreed. What Met position player returning next year? Outside Jacob and Reyes, the rest of this team was made up of big name free-agent or big name player from other team trade to the Mets. Mets tried this before and blew up in their face. The only team I recall buying a team and doing it with sucess was the Marlins of 97, that was most boring and lame thing I ever saw.

Funny, the Mets are the National League version of the Yankees these days.

Just before any baseball or Met fan jump the gun. Omar has prove nothing as a GM. Only prove he can spend a lot of his owner money to bring people in. ;)

Well, Winter Meeting should end with Manny, Youkillis, Arroyo or/and Clement being out of Boston via trade. Or, none of them would be moved. We'll see what happen, but I would not be shocked if Manny was still on the Red Sox or not come the start of next season.

[Hobosox]

I would just like to go on record as saying there is only ONE trade that would make any kind of feasible (sp?) sense for the Sox involving Manny at these meetings:

Manny for Abreu, in some sort of package.


One of those guys better be in our outfield next year, or i'll be pissed. Not only would it suck to lose a sure-fire Hall of Famer, but if we can't get the bat to protect Ortiz in the lineup, it'll be like losing twice the production on one player. Screw the Angels and their damn prospects - we'd have to get Santana and Wood and probably another #1 and that still wouldn't be good enough IMO.

Only problem is, will Manny go to Philly? If not, we better keep him. If so, put Abreu in some crimson stockings. Now.

[I Are Baboon]

What's this I hear about the Sox trying to trade :coffee ? :)

I also hear the Sox are getting close to signing Damon to a four year contract.

Nice to hear some good news coming out of Dallas. Let's hope something actually happens.

[Cyberlibrarian]

The Mets. :laff: Why does Omar hate white dudes so much? Christ Almighty he's building Dominican North over there.

Aw, come on! Delgado's Puerto Rican! Beltran is Puerto Rican! The new "official" bank of the Mets, Banco Popular, is also Puerto Rican.

But seriously, I know what you mean. Why will Latinos not show up at games unless the team is stacked with Latinos, but white people are expected show up regardless? I didn't root for Todd Zeile because some of his ancestors may have known some of mine. I rooted for him because (besides the fact that he's cute and a good guy) he wore my team's laundry. This whole ethnic thing pisses me off. There are Jews who want their kids to root for Walt Weiss or David Eckstein as Jewish role models. But it turns out neither one is Jewish. So what do you do? Do you all of a sudden tell your kid not to root for them anymore? It's just ludicrous.

[PissedPrincess]

Although maybe Omar is trying to get the Dominican fans. I know whenever the Sox played at YS the bleachers were filled with Dominican flags, etc.. perhaps Omar wants that.

OMG Babs, would I love to see :coffee traded. I find it interesting that both Clement and :coffee are being talked about. Now that Theo is gone maybe the Sox figure they can get rid of his mistakes. :thumbsup:

[Cyberlibrarian]

Evangelion, Jacobs went to the Marlins for Delgado.

The position players who are coming back to Shea are Wright, Reyes, Beltran, Floyd, probably Matsui. Backups coming back include Castro and (I think) Woodward.

As for the Mets becoming the Yankees, bite your tongue. :eek: There's a big difference between the 2 attitudes. The Mets are acting more like the Red Sox -- filling holes. The Mets have more money than most teams, so they can fill holes by spending money. Just like the Sox. The Mets didn't increase payroll by as much as it might seem because Piazza is gone, and his $16 million is gone with him.

The Yankees get big names just for the sake of big names. They didn't NEED A-hole, but they got him because he's a trophy, and George collects trophies. The Mets aren't doing that. The Mets most definitely did need Delgado and Wagner. But they're looking at Mark Grudzielanek for 2nd base. He's not exactly a big name. Paul LoDuca is not a Hall of Famer, but he fills a need.

[PissedPrincess]

Rumor is, :coffee is 75% gone. :woohoo

[Royce]

Evangelion, Jacobs went to the Marlins for Delgado.

The position players who are coming back to Shea are Wright, Reyes, Beltran, Floyd, probably Matsui. Backups coming back include Castro and (I think) Woodward.

As for the Mets becoming the Yankees, bite your tongue. :eek: There's a big difference between the 2 attitudes. The Mets are acting more like the Red Sox -- filling holes. The Mets have more money than most teams, so they can fill holes by spending money. Just like the Sox. The Mets didn't increase payroll by as much as it might seem because Piazza is gone, and his $16 million is gone with him.

The Yankees get big names just for the sake of big names. They didn't NEED A-hole, but they got him because he's a trophy, and George collects trophies. The Mets aren't doing that. The Mets most definitely did need Delgado and Wagner. But they're looking at Mark Grudzielanek for 2nd base. He's not exactly a big name. Paul LoDuca is not a Hall of Famer, but he fills a need.



That makes no sense. The Yankees get big names to try and win a championship, and make the playoffs on the constant basis that they do. Delago is a big name, the Mets got him to try and win. Wagner is a big name, the Mets got him to try and win. Beltran is a big name, the Mets got him to try and win. The same as the Yankees getting Sheffield, A-Rod, Randy and so on. Sure it might not have worked but they didn't spend millions of dollars just for the sake of doing it. How didn't they NEED A-ROd. Who doesn't need an MVP to fill a hole somewhere, whether it be defense or offense.

[I Are Baboon]

Rumor is, :coffee is 75% gone. :woohoo

What 25% of him are we keeping? Hopefully not the error part.

[rockin500]

clemens is back on the market if you want him as the astros arent offering him arbitration. ;)

[Hobosox]

to amend my earlier post,

apparently there is a way we can have Abreu AND Manny next year. And the hard part would be keeping Manny, not getting Abreu.

Rumor is, Sox trying to package Nixon and Clement to Phils for Abreu. As much as I love Trot, who wouldn't do this trade? Abreu will hit .320/30/100/30 SB, so what are we waiting for? Let's make it happen.

If this goes down, and that 4-year Damon deal goes through, is there anyway we can keep Manny for the best OF trio in the majors? (offensively, anyway)





also, I like Clement, but his ERA was kinda high so he won't be missed. As for Coffee, with Hanley gone we have to keep him, and why all the hating anyway? He's still an all-star caliber shortstop who had to get adjusted. Look for a return to the norm for ol' Colombia in '06. We have a gold-glove studded left side of the infield.

[Eva]

Blah, confused Jacob for Wright. :duh:

The Mets are making up a team full of big name free agent and major league player. They're not similar to the Red Sox at all. They're more similar to Yankee than the Red Sox. Omar got money, so he's spending it happily, similar to J.P. up in Toronto. Omar spending money and bring big name in to win championship. Honestly, how many of these current Met were here from the 03 season...? :whistle

Yankees had a hole at 3B, then picked up A-Rod and asked if he would move to 3B, which he did. The Yankee didn't get him for the sake of getting a big name, they got him for yet another big bat in the line-up, like any team would if they could.

The Mets are replacing almost every position this season with free agent, similar to what the Yankees have done in the past. The Mets are the national league version of the Yankees. Met fans just got to accept it. ;)

The Phillies want to move Abreu. I would not mind that deal. We have seven starters at this point with Fat Boy, Schilling, Papelbon, Clement, Arroyo, Beckett and Wakefield, so we can move one or two of these starters and Nixon, while I like his attitude, is injuried too much for my taste. Abreu give us some protection behide Ortiz if we lose Manny. Not as good, but at least some protection. I hope they a make a move to bring Abreu here, without involving Manny.

[Royce]

The Mets are the national league version of the Yankees. Met fans just got to accept it. ;)


I think they're enjoying it too.


:tongue:

[Cyberlibrarian]

Blah, confused Jacob for Wright. :duh:

The Mets are making up a team full of big name free agent and major league player. They're not similar to the Red Sox at all. They're more similar to Yankee than the Red Sox. Omar got money, so he's spending it happily, similar to J.P. up in Toronto. Omar spending money and bring big name in to win championship. Honestly, how many of these current Met were here from the 03 season...? :whistle

Yankees had a hole at 3B, then picked up A-Rod and asked if he would move to 3B, which he did. The Yankee didn't get him for the sake of getting a big name, they got him for yet another big bat in the line-up, like any team would if they could.

The Mets are replacing almost every position this season with free agent, similar to what the Yankees have done in the past. The Mets are the national league version of the Yankees. Met fans just got to accept it. ;)

The Phillies want to move Abreu. I would not mind that deal. We have seven starters at this point with Fat Boy, Schilling, Papelbon, Clement, Arroyo, Beckett and Wakefield, so we can move one or two of these starters and Nixon, while I like his attitude, is injuried too much for my taste. Abreu give us some protection behide Ortiz if we lose Manny. Not as good, but at least some protection. I hope they a make a move to bring Abreu here, without involving Manny.

The Mets signed ONE free agent -- Billy Wagner. THAT'S IT.

They TRADED for Delgado (whom they needed).

They TRADED for LoDuca (whom they needed).

They TRADED Cameron to free up cash.

They DECLINED TO OFFER ARBITRATION to Piazza and Looper. That also frees up cash.

They are not even remotely like the Yankees, whose payroll is rivaling the national debt. Just so you know, the Met payroll is still going to be less than the Red Sox payroll.

[PissedPrincess]

Jesus Julie of course the Mets are like the Yankees, as are the Red Sox. So what? The Mets have had payrolls every bit as large as both teams in the last 5 years. The only difference is the Mets end up in last place for all their spending.

Hopefully for you, that changes.

Eva, I'd dump Trot and Clement for Abreu in a nanosecond. I don't believe that rumor is true, or it woulda been done. It's a no brainer. One would think. :)

[rockin500]

The Mets signed ONE free agent -- Billy Wagner. THAT'S IT.

They TRADED for Delgado (whom they needed).

They TRADED for LoDuca (whom they needed).

They TRADED Cameron to free up cash.

They DECLINED TO OFFER ARBITRATION to Piazza and Looper. That also frees up cash.

They are not even remotely like the Yankees, whose payroll is rivaling the national debt. Just so you know, the Met payroll is still going to be less than the Red Sox payroll.
they certainly didnt need loduca. They could have had molina who is a better catcher than him for the same amount of money if not less than loduca.

and dont forget, Delgado's contract is backloaded. just because you are trading for someone instead of signing them to a longterm contract doesnt mean you arent paying them a premium price for their services.

Its not like being less than the red sox payroll is anything to be overjoyous about.

[Eva]

The Mets did not need a catcher. They had Castro. Sure, you can upgrade, but not possible for every team to upgrade at every position. The current Met team look like a bunch of hire guns outside of Wright and Reyes. Met fan can try justify any way they wish, they're very similar to Yankee these days. The problem is, Met fan think this an insult, when it's really is not. It's just a statement. I'll leave it at that.

I've only heard the Phillies might be moving Abreu. Outside of that, I have heard no deal involving him. I would love if that rumor deal since Nixon's injuried butt will be removed and we can free up a pitching spot by dealing Clement, who's been a 1st half pitcher. I won't dis-credit this rumor yet. I know how bad the Phillies are looking for an arm and Clement would fit that role for them.

[Cyberlibrarian]

Trust me, they needed a catcher. Castro is not a full-time, 150-game catcher.

So, it's more greedy to trade for LoDuca than to sign Molina or Hernandez? Omar offered contracts to both players, and neither one got back to him. Hernandez is now an Oriole. Molina is still unemployed after having rejected the Mets' offer.

Jacqui, I was not saying that the Mets are a small-market team. I'm not quite that stupid. What I was trying to say is that, contrary to what Evangelion is saying, it's not the Mets and the Yankees and everyone else. The Red Sox, the Phillies, the Orioles and the Angels have to be put in the same financial category. They all spend lots of money because they all have it.

[Eva]

Once again, you're acting like it's an insult to be compared to how Yankees. It's not, the Red Sox entire team for 2006 might only have V-tek return as the only position player, so I think we're all quite aware that the Red Sox also look like a team of hire guns themselves. Red Sox and Mets are similar to Yankee by spending a lot of money and bring a bunch of new players in this year. Simple put it, they are big market teams. That's all, just like the Yankees. ;)

Shesh, being compared to the Yankees is not an insult. :laff:

[Royce]

Shesh, being compared to the Yankees is not an insult. :laff:



:D

[rockin500]

the point i was making julie is that loduca was not the catcher they needed. they are overpaying (via trade) for a quickly declining catcher. thats what the yankees have done recently. Molina is a vastly superior catcher than LoDuca and would cost less than him, especially considering prospects.

There was no reason for Minaya to pick up loduca other than sheer idiocy. LoDuca has very little in positive value for him anymore.

There are 6 teams that are rich (spending 95+ per year): Yankees, Mets, Red Sox, Angels, Cubs, maybe Phillies

[Baseball Guru]

I feel the same way. These Mets fans are getting to me. :angry:


Why?:notme:

[Baseball Guru]

There was no reason for Minaya to pick up loduca other than sheer idiocy. LoDuca has very little in positive value for him anymore.

I disagree with that.... Molina is coming off of his best year and his #'s really are not that better than Lo Duca's.... Molina may have a little more pop in his bat... Lo Duca is a better contact hitter...

Overall the Mets probably save a coupleof million on the deal and hopefully they can use the money to sign Grudzielanek..

JMO:)

[Royce]

Why?:notme:


Basically I'm the only Yankees fan in my group of friends and everytime they get someone that's all I hear about. (And they're basically all Jets and Islanders fans too) I just want something to say back. Recently I've been bragging about how we got rid of Womack...:D

[rockin500]

I disagree with that.... Molina is coming off of his best year and his #'s really are not that better than Lo Duca's.... Molina may have a little more pop in his bat... Lo Duca is a better contact hitter...

Overall the Mets probably save a coupleof million on the deal and hopefully they can use the money to sign Grudzielanek..

JMO:)
but loduca is also in his decline phase. everything points to that.

[sportsn00b]

but loduca is also in his decline phase. everything points to that.


i disagree with that a lot look at his averge from 05 .283 and career .285 and his OBP 05 .334 and career .339 so where is he going down he did only hit 6 HR and bat in 57 runners but he was never a sluggger i think it is a good pick up by the mets

[Blue56]

he's more of a hitter, on base type of players. Is he the MEts #1 catcher?