Kobe/Iverson worst NBA examples

[Dward00]

These guys are ballhogs who make their teams suck worst then the opposition.

Jordan was made to score 30 points a game. Kobe, and Iverson are more like 18-22ppg players.

Why do I say this? I think it's really this simple: field goal percentage.

If you're scoring 35-40% of your teams offense and the best you can do is hit 40% of your shots, then that's all that should be said.

Jordan in his prime hit like 55% of his shots, and this was before the new offensive rules in the nba that have made Iverson, and Kobe 44% shooters. Before that they were more like 38% but still were allowed to average 30 points a game.

It's just disgusting to constantly hear how it's the other lakers players, or the other sixers players faults as to why those teams are sucking right now. They both got some awesome players to complement Kobe, and Iverson, but they're never allowed enough touches, freedom, or responsibility. They probably get chewed out for trying to use their brains instead of dishing off to their ballhogs.

The 2 best most efficient guards in the league right now are probably Lebron(he's a guard dammit!...lol), and Tony Parker. How good is Lebron? probably 75% effiecient as a Jordan in his prime but still a hell of a lot better then anyone else in the league right now. That's sad. What Tony Parker is doing this year is amazing. 21ppg, and 7 assists a game at 55% shooting(he's 6foot tall, and 160lb.). Kobe could do that, and his team would probably be number 2 or 3 in the west.

[Timberwolf]

Very good post, Dward00.

As a basketball junkie, I was embrassed for the sport for what Kobe did the other night. In fact, I was angry.

[Dward00]

Thanks man.

You know another point: Lamar Odom, Kwame Brown, Chris Mihm, Smush Parker, and Devean George are a better supporting cast then what Lebron has. I'd rather have those instead of Zydrunas Ilgauskas, Larry Hughes, Drew Gooden, Eric Snow, and Donyell Marshell.

And yet the Cavs are winning more games. I don't like to see anybody scoring 30+ppg unless they're at 50% field goal percentage, but you really can't argue too much about Lebron(he's usually at 50% or better). And he gets it too. He said he was never going to have another 50 point game since he was 0-2 when he scored more then 50.....lol.

But still with the new offensive rules in the NBA Jordan probably would've been 70% field goal percentage.(stretching it maybe but I'm sure he would've hit somewhere between 60-65%)

[Timberwolf]

Here is the boxscore of Kobe and his teammates from Tuesday night:

http://www.nba.com/games/20051220/DALLAL/boxscore.html

This is why I wasn't happy. Notice how the rest of his teammates scored only single points. Chris Mihm was the second leading scorer with NINE POINTS. That's disgusting. If Larry Brown was coaching, he would be on Kobe's face. I know Phil Jackson is not happy either.

This is why I love watching guys like KG, Tim Duncan, and Jason Kidd. They don't need the ball to dominate. They rather produce by passing the ball and finding the open guy. That's more entertaining than watching a ballhog shoot the ball like World B. Free. There is a reason why I know people that hate basketball. They don't like the mentality of the star players anymore.

[Royce]

About the 62 point game. Why not let him play the fourth quarter? Do you take a pitcher out when he is pitching a perfect game? No.

Are you guys telling me you wouldn't want to have a Kobe or an AI or an Arenas on your team? C'mon, they're some of the best players in the league.

[Dward00]

No I really wouldn't want either one of those players.

Because it would mean my team would be losing.

The NFL understands this. The NBA doesn't.

Coaches fire players in the NFL for being retards(look at Andy Reid, and T.O.)

Players get coaches fired in the NBA for stuff that's their own fault. The only exception would be the Spurs.

[Timberwolf]

Pitching a perfect game and someone throwing 62 points in a blowout game is apples and oranges, Royce. When you throw a perfect game, you go for it since it's an opportunity of a lifetime because it's hard to do. Anyone in the NBA can score 48 or more points on a given night especially if that guy is playing for a bad team like Marbury with the Nets. It's one thing if you score 50 or 60 in a close game like Lebron did several weeks ago, but it's another when you score 60 when your team is blowing out someone. Kobe needs to establish a chemistry and trust with his teammates and I felt in a blowout game, he should use that opportunity to work with his teammates and establish something.

The reason why Jackson did not let Kobe play in the fourth quarter was because he did not want to show the Mavericks up. There is a thing called etiquette. You don't show someone up when a team is down. Mavericks were done by the fourth quarter.

Gilbert Arenas is not a ballhog. He knows when to dish the ball when he has to. I think AI is doing the same thing now.

[Royce]

I'm not saying that I disagree with Jackson's decision, I'm kind of indifferent. I'm just making some points. I'm the kind of fan that likes to see individual achievement. Don't get me wrong, winning is what matters to me when I watch my favorite teams, but seeing a guy net 70 or hit 4 HRs or rush for 250 yards entertains me, and a lot of other sports fans. I guess you're right, basketball is different, because you can achieve other stats in different sports without showing up the other team.

[Royce]

Adding on to that,

Arenas and Lebron attempt 21 shots a game each compared to AI and Kobe's 26. 4.3 assists isn't bad for a player that shoots as much as Kobe does and he can also rebound. Lebron does the same adding rebs and assists with his points. AI doesn't really rebound, but isn't bad for a small guard like himself, and dishes the ball well. Some nights Arenas has 2 assists, others he has 8.

I really wouldn't say any of them are ball hogs, IMO. I think Vince Carter was/is a ballhog, however.

[Dward00]

Well I'm not a baseball fan, so I might be wrong, but someone hitting 70 homeruns in a season can only help their team with a 0% chance of hindering it. I think that's how the NBA differs. Because if you're hitting homeruns you're not taking away from any other player.


Kobe, and Iverson are one of those players that will have 3 games in a row where they average 25 points a game with a 30% shooting average to 1 game where they score more then 40 with a 68% shooting average. It evens them out at 30ppg, and 40% shooting average, but odds are they only win 1 out of 4 games. They're not consistent. Why? Because they're playing far beyond their skill, and limitations.

If they would accept 20-22ppg they would probably be around 50% shooting average like Tony Parker. I have no doubt in my mind that if Tony Parker was allowed to he could be posting the exact same numbers as those 2.

Lebron is really the only player that I know of that has the skill to score 30 points a game and not screw up his team. Why? Because he actually makes his shots, and doesn't waste time with missed shots. Wasted time that could go towards making your team better like Lebron does. Lebron only takes what the opposition gives him. Kobe, and Iverson try to make things happen. The difference is the skill level. Lebron is a hell of a lot better then those 2.

[Big R]

i didnt know averaging 7.3 assist a game was considered ball hoggin

[fantasymarcus]

They may be ball hogs, but if the Jazz could get either of them.... I'd be one happy fan.