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Timberwolf
12-31-2005, 11:05 PM
The Knicks are the worst team in the NBA and they are clearly the NBA's laughingstock with the losing and the soap operas that has gone on. In what used to be a proud franchise with great players and a proud flagship franchise of the NBA, Knicks have became a tragedy in so many ways. You think the last four years could not be worse, but it is. This year has been a complete joke. This team clearly does not play the right way. This team clearly does not play for each other. This team has zero leadership from the veterans and the head coach and the GM. This team is simply pathetic. This might be the worse Knicks team all-time. I have seen some bad Nets teams growing up as a kid, but I think those teams are much better than this year's Knicks. Those bad Nets teams at least tried and at least cared. They weren't good. Knicks have talent, but it's just not working.

The blame clearly goes to Isiah Thomas. He is an artichect of this poorly, mismanaged roster. He made some bad trades like acquiring Marbury, Richardson, Tim Thomas, Malik Rose, Maurice Taylor, and Eddie Curry. He signed players that are just not good like Jerome James, He made the Knicks cap even worse. You make moves like that in the real world and you get fired period. He has been a total failure. He was better off just coaching this team instead of Larry and the Knicks were better off trying to lure Donnie Walsh or some GM. Thomas is even worse than the inept, Scott Layden which really says something. The only good thing going for Isiah is that he can draft as you saw him draft Stoudamire and McGrady in Toronto and the fact he drafted Channing Frye and Nate Robinson. He might be better served as a pro personnel director because that's where his strength. GM has to do with making trades and managing the cap and that's where Isiah has been so bad in his two stops at Toronto and now, with the Knicks.

Stephon Marbury is a big part of the problem. Yeah he has talent, but his basketball IQ is horrible and he has poor leadership. He has this annoying act of putting a towel in his head when his team is losing or when he is on the bench. That annoys me and that type of act clearly turned the Knicks fans off. Stephon constantly scowls and he acts miserable all the time. His attitude stinks and it has permeated to everyone on the Knicks. Marbury has clearly been a very sad story. You see guys who have talents, but they can't make the most of it. Marbury joins the list of guys like Isiah Rider, Derrick Coleman, and Kenny Anderson as guys who had talent, but had no clue how to use it and had no basketball sense. A good basketball team needs guys who can lead. Marbury can't. He got booed Monday night against the Nets because he was pouting on the bench and not showing support to his teammates. When Nate Robinson was in a brawl with Jacque Vaughn Monday night, Stephon was pouting instead of talking to Nate to calm down. Great leaders support each other and Stephon did not do that. Fans notice the little things in New York which is why he got booed. On Wednesday night, he just tanked it as he was not mentally ready. Knicks are dying to trade him, but who wants him.

I know Stephon has taken hits from the fans and the media and rightfully so, but Larry Brown does not get away with it either. He is a big part of the problem not the solution. He has done a very lousy job. His team is not very good, but is it too much to ask for this team to play for each other and play with hustle, energy, and emotion. Knicks have not done that all season. The drama queen likes to blame his players and Isiah Thomas for why his team stinks, but he has ducked responsibility for not having his team prepared and ready. For Pete's Sake, Don Chaney and Lenny Wilkens was able to coax them to play hard. Larry is the highest paid coach in the NBA. It's his responsibility to make it work and have them play the right way. Instead of whining about the players, he should make it work. If Larry can't stomach it, maybe he and the Knicks should end this now rather than wait for this season to end or next season to end.

Obviously, there is a feud going between Marbury and LB. Marbury deserved what he is getting, but LB should not be moaning about Marbury to the press. If he has a problem, talk to Steph. I think Brown is smart enough to do that. It's quite clear Brown wants nothing to do with Marbury. He doesn't speak to him and he has no interest in seeing Steph to succeed. I don't think he is teaching Marbury well. LB talks about how he does not have a point guard yet which is why he does not want to move Steph to shooting guard. That's bunch of load. Nate Robinson is good enough at point and you can move Steph at shooting guard where he excels more. LB and Steph need to solve this situation for the good of the Knicks. Larry Brown should be the one taking the intiative.

Oh and it gets worse. Knicks don't get next year's draft pick because that pick goes to the Bulls with the Curry trade. They shouldn't have made that trade to get Curry in the first place and they should have never give up a draft pick since they are nowhere near close to a playoff team.

The only solution I can come up with the Knicks is dump Larry, release Marbury and get a buyout, have Isiah coach the team, and hire a real GM like a Donnie Walsh.

Royce
12-31-2005, 11:29 PM
Very well put. The Knicks are an embarassment and never should have acquired half the players on their roster. Curry should not be here, that was the stupidest idea ever, drafting Frye and signing Curry and trading away our number 1 pick, likely a top 3 pick in the draft this year (I think he traded it away). Kurt Thomas was a good player and was let go when he could have been a Knick if it weren't for stupid moves regarding the cap like getting Penny Hardaway from the Suns with Marbury. I really don't think Marbury is the problem. No one gives him the benefit of the doubt and everyone bashes him. He has no one to play with. I have a better shot then Jamal Crawford. Quentin Richardson is garbage. Most of their players are too young or are just way out of their prime. Larry Brown has shown me nothing as a coach. The Knicks #1 problem is their perimeter defense. They give up 3's to the max. What does Brown do to fix it? Well, to me it looks like absolutely nothing. Being a Knicks fan sucks..


About the Curry trade, the Knicks did trade their first round pick, correct?

Timberwolf
12-31-2005, 11:53 PM
Yes they traded their first round pick for next year, Royce. That was a very stupid move. You never trade your draft picks especially for a team that has lot of needs. This Knicks team need a legitimate scorer or a point guard. They need to find someone who can be a franchise player. They were in no position to trade a draft pick especially for a player that has question marks as a player.

I told you that signing Quentin Richardson was a very dumb move. He can't play defense and all he does is shoot jumpers that ain't even close. You saw how bad he was in the Western Confernece Finals this spring. Suns were dying to get rid of his because his game was so bad. Isiah should have gotten a hint. It was clear that he wanted to dump Kurt Thomas since Kurt ripped Isiah for being Marbury's babysitter.

Crawford has done alright. At least, he is learning what Larry is telling him to do. Still, the Knicks should have never acquired him since his game has been in question ever since his days at Michigan.

I don't know about players way out of their prime. They are just not good. Penny has been garbage since Shaq ditched him. Malik Rose played well because he had a good supporting cast in San Antonio. He was their Robert Horry back then. Knicks should have taken the Spurs draft picks for Mohammed instead of taking Rose with them. Maurice Taylor has been garbage forever. Jerome Jones was a stiff forever which is why it was remarkable why Isiah gave him an lucrative contract.

Marbury has to take a hit here. Yeah Larry Brown has screwed him in a way by not taking the time to teach him, but Marbury can't hit big shots in tight spots and he can't play defense. That's been that way his professional career. You know what's worse. He is a poison in the locker room. His scowling, his pettiness, and his attitude just stinks. A great leader don't put a towel on their heads when things go bad. You support your teammates when you are sitting. It seems Stephon does not get along with anyone. He never got along with anyone at Minnesota, New Jersey, Phoenix, and now here. He is just not a leader. There is just more than just scoring. You have to do the little things in basketball and there's where Marbury has issues.

Larry Brown hasn't really done much coaching and I think he has zero interest seeing guys that he hate to succeed. It's very clear that he wants no part of Marbury. He rather help Jamal Crawford than Stephon. He moans about the roster everyday. It's one thing or another. He needs to just coach and teach like he always does. It hasn't been the case here. It's clear most Knicks fans want him fired believe it or not.

I think it's going to get real bad soon. I am suprised that Knicks fans are not venting their angry at Larry, Stephon, or Isiah at games.

Royce
01-01-2006, 01:34 AM
The Knicks could have potentially had Adam Morrison or whoever the #1 pick will be this year.

Yesterday Marbury went on about how he loves New York and wants to be a Knicks. It seems like he's trying to change his attitude. He played well last night vs. Milwaukee. I don't know, I think Marbury is a good player playing out of his style of play. He was great under Wilkens. Don't get me wrong ,Wilkens sucked, but Marbury played his game for him.

Timberwolf
01-01-2006, 01:44 AM
Well I am not sure if Morrison has the makeup to play in New York. I like that kid, Dealdrige from Texas. You have to figure that guy is your #1 pick.

Marbury is saying the right things, but body language tells a different story.

Larry Brown needs to move him at shooting guard and have Nate start at point.

rockin500
01-01-2006, 01:54 AM
larry brown isnt going to be able to do much with this roster. it sucks. While Eddy sucks for the knicks, the bulls do miss him, you cannot deny that. still, not exactly a good reason to have him on the team!!

is marbury even saying the right things anymore? besides, at some point marbury has to have learned things already. how long has he been in the league? 7 years? 8? whatever, its been long enough. at some point, you have to take it upon yourself and learn. marbury hasnt.

lal4l
01-01-2006, 10:06 PM
Listen to this, that has to be the most CAPPED out team in the world and Thomas FOUND the team like that it's not just Isiah... He got the team like that... and they dont seem to have a plan... They have some of the most overpaid players

Royce
01-02-2006, 11:58 PM
Unbelievable; the Knicks beat the Suns!!

David Lee played great, as did Stephon and Curry. Crawford played pretty well also. They missed like 24 free throws and still won. Wow.

Undefeated in the new year, haha, we'll see how long that lasts.

lal4l
01-03-2006, 03:02 AM
I saw this 3 ots is crazy...

Vince10984
01-04-2006, 01:32 AM
Listen to this, that has to be the most CAPPED out team in the world and Thomas FOUND the team like that it's not just Isiah... He got the team like that... and they dont seem to have a plan... They have some of the most overpaid players
Thomas found the team with a huge payroll yes...but instead of fixing it he has gone ahead and made more dumb moves, such as paying Jerome James something like $30 million

Vince10984
01-04-2006, 01:33 AM
Alos, I think that in the 2007 draft the Bulls have the option to switch picks if they desire to...so if the Bulls have the 15th pick and the Knicks the 6th, the Bulls would get the 6th...anyone verify or correct that?

lal4l
01-04-2006, 04:02 AM
It wasnt a lottery protected pick? DUMB

Chisox73
01-05-2006, 10:45 PM
Alos, I think that in the 2007 draft the Bulls have the option to switch picks if they desire to...so if the Bulls have the 15th pick and the Knicks the 6th, the Bulls would get the 6th...anyone verify or correct that?
I thought it was an '06 lottery pick?

If it is an '06 pick,then I want the Bulls to tank the rest of the season so that we can have 2 lottery picks.:thumbsup:

lal4l
01-06-2006, 12:09 AM
Is there even a lot of talent comming out of college

Chisox73
01-06-2006, 11:00 PM
Is there even a lot of talent comming out of college
The 2 players that pop into mind right now are JJ Redick(Duke) and Dee Brown(Illinois)

Royce
01-06-2006, 11:41 PM
Morrisson, Gay, the Guy from Texas (Gibson i think it is, or Aldridge, I haven't followed Texas much)

Royce
01-06-2006, 11:42 PM
Anyway, Channing Frye scored a career-high 30 points in a blowout win against the Wizards. Marbury played well as he has been lately.

You think the Knicks will turn it around? .... I doubt it.

lal4l
01-07-2006, 03:25 AM
I would not count on it....

Baseball Guru
01-07-2006, 05:59 AM
Morrisson, Gay, the Guy from Texas (Gibson i think it is, or Aldridge, I haven't followed Texas much)

Rudy Gay is a stud!

Yeah, his name is LaMarcus Aldridge...Texas also has Daniel Gibson who is pretty good.. Both are sophmores I think..

A few others are Rodney Carney, Shelden Williams, Taj Gray ...

Maybe Rajon Rondo from UK and Ronnie Brewer Arkansas will come out early...

There's also a kid coming out of Indy HS that is apparently a stud.. His name is Greg Oden...

Overall not a real strong draft... The Knicks need A LOT of help and the draft will not help them immediately...

lal4l
01-07-2006, 02:24 PM
Allan Houston back from retirement should help ;)

Royce
01-07-2006, 03:08 PM
No it shouldn't. He sucks.

lal4l
01-07-2006, 03:49 PM
No it shouldn't. He sucks.

That was the most exxageration ever....

Baseball Guru
01-07-2006, 04:06 PM
No it shouldn't. He sucks.


:laff:

Royce
01-07-2006, 07:48 PM
I'm not kidding. He sucks. He could never make a shot that counted more then once in his life.

Chisox73
01-07-2006, 09:32 PM
There's also a kid coming out of Indy HS that is apparently a stud.. His name is Greg Oden...

It says on Greg Oden's website (http://www.gregoden.com/) that he has committed to The Ohio State University for next season.

Baseball Guru
01-08-2006, 05:45 AM
Ah, I didnt hear that... Lets see how strong his committment is when he sees all those $ in front of him;)

lol:D

Royce
01-08-2006, 06:56 PM
3 in a row. Watch out Atlantic Divison, the Knicks are only 11 games under .500.