Bengels & Steelers

[Durango53]

Palmer hurt. Henry hurt, they are losing players that they cant lose.

[Thedatch]

lucky for them the steelers are playing like idiots right now, making dumb penalties giving them first downs...

[PissedPrincess]

Kitna is playing his ass off. Polamalu shoulda been tossed.

[Thedatch]

Kitna is playing his ass off. Polamalu shoulda been tossed.

yeah what was up with that? I guess it wasn't technically a punch, but he threw the football at the guy, so that was damn close

[PissedPrincess]

Sean Taylor was tossed for supposedly spitting, and Polamalu gets away with that? The officials are calling a terrible game. They need to reign this game in. Players are getting out of control.

[Royce]

He gave the Bengals a TD. That's punishment enough I'd say.

[Thedatch]

He gave the Bengals a TD. That's punishment enough I'd say.

I was a little more surprised that Cowher didn't look very upset with it. I mean, he shook his head, but he wasn't yelling and screaming as I would have been. That was a dumb ass play! It's so annoying when players can't keep their tempers...pisses me off.

[Royce]

Coughlin would have benched him.

[Thedatch]

damn, looks like the steelers got some fire under 'em now...kitna's getting hammered.

guess polamalu wants to make up for the penalty

[PissedPrincess]

Coughlin would have benched him.

:laff: Belichick woulda cut him.

[Royce]

:laff: Belichick woulda cut him.


Hahaha. Who do the Pats play? If Cincy wins Indy, if Pitt wins Denver?

[BPBlueSox]

Polamalu shoulda been tossed

:eyebrow

Coughlin would have benched him.

Cowher's already benched him many times before when he's committed penalties.

Belichick woulda cut him.

Not with the secondary they have right now.

[BPBlueSox]

Palmer hurt. Henry hurt, they are losing players that they cant lose.
Kitna had a huge game against the Steelers two years ago, iirc. I wasn't all that excited to see Palmer out.

[BPBlueSox]

torn acl for palmer. sucks for him.

[Dward00]

It's BS. Steelers still giviing up to much to an offense running with it's backup QB though. This is going to be close but Cincy is going to lose it. It sucks......just not fair.

[Dward00]

Obviously if Palmer was still in it we'd probably be looking at 30-14 bengals right now instead of 21-17 steelers.

[BPBlueSox]

It's BS. Steelers still giviing up to much to an offense running with it's backup QB though. This is going to be close but Cincy is going to lose it. It sucks......just not fair.
I was a bit worried whenever we got lit up by Detroit time and time again last week. Oh well, the Bus has put us up...let's see if we can win this thing.

[BPBlueSox]

Obviously if Palmer was still in it we'd probably be looking at 30-14 bengals right now instead of 21-17 steelers.
eh, i wouldn't say that. it's not like kitna hasn't been moving the ball for the bungles.

[PissedPrincess]

Hahaha. Who do the Pats play? If Cincy wins Indy, if Pitt wins Denver?

Yep. And I'm gonna be in Denver next weekend.

[BPBlueSox]

well, so much for kitna playing well. that was pathetic.

[Dward00]

After watching both teams play so far I think Cincy would have won this easily if Palmer hadn't gone down. They'll still barely lose it. That says a lot about this team. It just sucks.

[BPBlueSox]

After watching both teams play so far I think Cincy would have won this easily if Palmer hadn't gone down. They'll still barely lose it. That says a lot about this team. It just sucks.
I still disagree. Until that last drive, Kitna didn't do much less than Palmer did. He got the ball to open receivers on 3rd downs just like Palmer would have. Now this might be too much to ask of him.

[BPBlueSox]

that botched FG really killed the bungles. reminds me of a certain other playoff game a few years back.

[Dward00]

I still disagree. Until that last drive, Kitna didn't do much less than Palmer did. He got the ball to open receivers on 3rd downs just like Palmer would have. Now this might be too much to ask of him.

It's alright if you disagree but I've watched enough bengle games the last few years to know their's a huge difference between Palmer, and Kitna. Have you? Just be happy your team is going to win, and quit argueing with me.

They got off lucky imo. It's just a huge tragedy. Makes me want to qq.

[Dward00]

Not even going to watch the rest of it. It's over. Pittsburgh got lucky.

[BPBlueSox]

It's alright if you disagree but I've watched enough bengle games the last few years to know their's a huge difference between Palmer, and Kitna. Have you? Just be happy your team is going to win, and quit argueing with me.

They got off lucky imo. It's just a huge tragedy. Makes me want to qq.
Now Kitna is looking more like Kitna. He was giving them the opportunity to win during the first half. He did nothing wrong, and nothing less than Palmer. Keep in mind I see at least 2 Bungle games every year when they play the Steelers and maybe one or two additional. I know that Palmer is way better than Kitna, but Kitna couldn't be blamed early on. Once the Bengals got behind, yeah, it was pretty much over with Kitna. He wouldn't be able to bring them back, I agree with you there.

[BPBlueSox]

Not even going to watch the rest of it. It's over. Pittsburgh got lucky.

You don't get "lucky" in the NFL. You have to play with the cards you're dealt. Bengals played well until that missed FG. Doesn't matter anyways, you guys would have got smoked by Denver and we're probably gonna get smoked by Indy.

[Royce]

that botched FG really killed the bungles. reminds me of a certain other playoff game a few years back.

You mean the game a few years back the refs F'd up?

[BPBlueSox]

You mean the game a few years back the refs F'd up?
no, one of the AFCC games against the Patsies. Botched FG that troy brown ran back, iirc. Nice to have something like that go our way in the playoffs for once.

[Dward00]

It's not a legit win or a legit loss. The whole reason to this bengles season was Palmer. I think most bengle critics would agree. Without Palmer they aren't the bengles. No matter how great of a player Chad Johnson is. It's just incredibly sad. let me mourn. :ugh:

[BPBlueSox]

It's not a legit win or a legit loss. The whole reason to this bengles season was Palmer. I think most bengle critics would agree. Without Palmer they aren't the bengles. No matter how great of a player Chad Johnson is. It's just incredibly sad. let me mourn. :ugh:
I'm with you there. I just thought that Kitna played pretty well in the first half, that's all.

[Royce]

no, one of the AFCC games against the Patsies. Botched FG that troy brown ran back, iirc. Nice to have something like that go our way in the playoffs for once.


:D Yeah, try being a Giants fan.

The Refs usually own us in the playoffs.

[Dward00]

I'm with you there. I just thought that Kitna played pretty well in the first half, that's all.

Yea Kitna played good but those 2 fieldgoals(1 that missed I know) would have been touchdowns. /cry :ugh:

[BPBlueSox]

Yea Kitna played good but those 2 fieldgoals(1 that missed I know) would have been touchdowns. /cry :ugh:
That's a possibility. Too bad for Cincy they didn't finish it off down the stretch...they could have had a bye today.

[Dward00]

no that's why they didn't finish down the strectch. Because Denver already had the 2nd seed.

All you guys talk about is how bad the bengholes defense is, but you gotta realize it's a really young defense and there's some players there that are going to really shine next season or the one after that. They're where the Colts were 2 years ago.

[BPBlueSox]

no that's why they didn't finish down the strectch. Because Denver already had the 2nd seed.

All you guys talk about is how bad the bengholes defense is, but you gotta realize it's a really young defense and there's some players there that are going to really shine next season or the one after that. They're where the Colts were 2 years ago.

I thought they were still in the running for the 2 seed before that loss to the Bills.

I've never said anything bad about the bengals defense. it may not be the best in the world, but I don't think it's that poor. I believe the Bengals will only continue to improve the next few years...pending the health of Carson Palmer, as well.

[00_Agent]

I was upset when Palmer went down, because all I could think about is how everyone in Pittsburgh would be mourning if Roethlisberger would have gotten hurt. Nobody really wants to win that way.

At the same time, I don't remember recieving any letters of apology for the two overtime games we lost this season thanks to Tommy Maddox when Ben was hurt.

Besides that, Kitna was playing well. I understand you're upset, but I think you're exaggerating when you talk about what the game would have been like had Palmer been in the whole time. Rudi Johnson couldn't get moving from the get go, and your defense wasn't stopping much once we stopped aquiring offensive penalties.

As for Polamalu, he was being yanked from the ground and roughly shaken by one of their players. He retaliated, he didn't initiate the situation. I'm not making excuses, it was a stupid penalty to take, but there should have been offsetting penalties.

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[I Are Baboon]

That was a real bummer seeing Carson Palmer go down. Hopefully he'll be fully recovered in time for next season.

That said, him going down is not the reason the Bengals' defense has sucked the last nine games. They were going to lose this game with or without Palmer. That's why I picked Pittsburgh. ;)

[Spitball67]

as a Steelers fan I'm happy to see them win. But I didn't want to see Palmer go down like that. I've watched that replay a bunch of times and I dunno, it's borderline. I mean, who is the one guy the Bengals could not afford to lose? Palmer. And he goes down. Kinda sketchy IMO. Reminds me of some of the things the Raiders used to do to the Steelers back in the 70's.

Kitna played as good as you could expect. Probably better than most backups would have. The Bengal's D really let them down though.

[Eva]

I thought they were still in the running for the 2 seed before that loss to the Bills.
They were. The Bengals and Broncos had the same record before the Bengals lost to the Bills. They were still running for the second seed before that horrible lose to Bills.

BPBlueSox, the Bengals defense was ranked 28th in the NFL. It was poor. The team lived off forcing other teams to turn the ball over, not good defense, but I do believe they will improve. I was looking at the current defense of the Bengals going into this playoff game and playoff this year, not the potential it has to grow in the next few years. That has nothing to do with yesterday game.

While Palmer going down was very bad. Injuries are part of the NFL. It's not use as an excuse. You won't see Bengals and Palmer saying ''What if.'' when asked what would happen if he was not injuried and you won't see them using Palmer's injury as an excuse why they lost. Injuries are part of the game and I won't say a thing beyond that.

[Big R]

steelers cant be happy about that win

if it wasnt for palmers injury they would of got killed

[Timberwolf]

No disrespect to the Steelers, but the Bengals were done as soon as Carson Palmer was out with an injury. It's too bad that it happened to him and the Bengals. He should be ready in training camp though. I thought Carson Palmer gave the Bengals a better chance than Jon Kitna.

Bengals were playing better when Palmer was on the field. When Kitna came, you just sense the balloon was burst by then. Ktina did good when he entered the field, but then he became Kitna after that as the Bengals looked inept offensively. Steelers milk the clock real good with their running game in the third quarter which helped them get more time poessession over the Bengals.

What a game by Jerome Bettis.

How about that play when Bettis had the ball, flicks it to Ben, and then Ben throws a TD pass. That play was the difference in the game and it ended the Bengals day right there.

Bengals had a great season. They had nothing to be ashamed of. They will be the team to beat in the AFC North next year. I think things will get better. I am just sorry that Carson Palmer did not play because things would have been different if he played.

[Timberwolf]

Obviously if Palmer was still in it we'd probably be looking at 30-14 bengals right now instead of 21-17 steelers.

I agree with you.

[Timberwolf]

After watching both teams play so far I think Cincy would have won this easily if Palmer hadn't gone down. They'll still barely lose it. That says a lot about this team. It just sucks.

Do you think that hit to Palmer was dirty? I don't know. It looked like it was. Marvin Lewis clearly wasn't happy.

[Timberwolf]

It's not a legit win or a legit loss. The whole reason to this bengles season was Palmer. I think most bengle critics would agree. Without Palmer they aren't the bengles. No matter how great of a player Chad Johnson is. It's just incredibly sad. let me mourn. :ugh:

The thing I love about Carson Palmer is that presence and leadership. You know you are going to win when he is out there. He just has that aura and confidence in himself that filters the team which is why I am a huge fan of his.

[00_Agent]

You know you are going to win? They lost 5 games this season with him on the field.

As for the hit on Palmer, anyone who thinks that it was dirty doesn't know a thing about Kimo VonOlhoffen (spelling anyone?). He was blocked into him. He's one of the nicest guys on the team. Football is a violent game. It's a shame that it happened, but there's no one to blame.

I will say this...the Steelers are the team that needs to make moves in order to be able to keep up with the Bengals next season, not the other way around. I hope we don't sit on what we got (like we tend to do), because it won't be enough.

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[Timberwolf]

Well Carson Palmer is not perfect either, but Bengals chances of winning easily comes when Carson is on the field. Carson brings aura and confidence. It's not like we are talking Dave Brown or Jack Trudeau or Tommy Maddox or Kordell Stewart when we talk about Palmer. I pick the Bengals to beat the Stillers mainly because of Carson. Carson has owned the Steelers. Remember they were leading in yesterday's playoff game.

Marvin Lewis is still ticked off about what happened.

[00_Agent]

Yeah, I heard him after the game talking about Roethlisberger. I'd probably be ticked too. I just don't think it was intentional.

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[Eva]

Carson has owned the Steelers? He didn't look too hot against them in the first game this season when he throw 2 INT and look like another typical QB against the Steelers during Week 7 game. Of course, he did better during the second making, but to come up with an opinion like Carson Palmer owning the Steelers makes absolutely no sense. Oh, just to make sure, I looked up his numbers against the Steelers in 2004, his first starting year. He end up posting a QB rating of 64.5 and throwing 3 INT and only 3 TD in two contest against the Steelers. Sorry, but it's quite clear that Carson Palmer does not own the Steelers as you put it, Timberwolf.

Though, I won't put it beyond Palmer to own the Steelers in the future. As I do believe Palmer will just get better as QB in the NFL.

To comment on Palmer's injury. I do not think it's intentional. I find it absolutely silly for any person to insist that it was intentional. I will not into this subject any further. People can assume it's intentional and start blaming the Steelers for playing dirty, but I'm not going down that road.

[Timberwolf]

Eva: Stats don't tell you the side of a story. Yeah he had 2 INTs, but I thought he did a very good job against Pittsburgh at Cincy despite the loss in the first meeting.

Here's why I suspected that it was intentional. That gentlemen's helmet and his head was clearly on Carson's knee which is why I could see Bengals fans and Marvin Lewis be upset about this.

[Eva]

Stats are fact. You're just going by baseless speculation by saying Palmer ''owns'' the Steelers, which facts prove you wrong. If you said Palmer has the chance to own the Steeler, then you would have some, but not much, reason since he has not been awful against the Steelers. But, just judge a player owning a certain team on whatever absurd reason you believe is beyond me. You can assume Palmer can beat the Steelers, but don't say he ''owns'' the Steelers, when it's absolutely false.

[Durango53]

I just don't think Carson Palmer has arrived. He along with Eli Manning have a lot to prove. They are nowhere close to primetime players.
You start out the year saying Palmer is a below standard QB and now act like you have been singing his song your whole life...

[BPBlueSox]

Good God, the next person that says that Kimo's tackle had intent to cause injury...I'm going to slap somebody. Seriously.

[Durango53]

Dirty players have history. Football is a rough sport. No dirty history I can see and I the thought of a dirty hit never even came to me.

Bengles lost and injury is part of the game. The team that overcomes it the best wins.

[BPBlueSox]

Dirty players have history. Football is a rough sport. No dirty history I can see and I the thought of a dirty hit never even came to me.

Bengles lost and injury is part of the game. The team that overcomes it the best wins.

Exactly.

Kimo is the polar opposite of a dirty player.

[a_ndrew3000]

You could tell that Kimo felt bad as soon as Palmer went down....If he meant it, he wouldn't have felt bad.

[imgreat95]

I am so sick of hearing people already talking about this injury being the reason the steelers lost.

Timber, first off... .you said that the Bengals were winning in this game. Yes, they were.. but do you know what?? They were winning with Jon Kitna. Not Carson Palmer. I was disappointed when I remembered that Kitna was the Bengals backup. Kitna has lit us up over the years. If anything, Kitna has owned the Steelers. Not Palmer. Throw that in with our history of being beaten by backups in the playoffs, and I was actually worried to see Kitna come into the game.

I also find it laughable whoever it was that said it owuld have been a 20-14 game with Palmer in there as opposed to a 17-14 game. Since when does Carson Palmer play defense?? Hoow would he have stopped the Steelers from kicking a Field Goal?? THat is purely a number which was pulled out of someone's ass to make them feel better about the loss. THe Steelers could have probably scored 45 points on that defense if they had wanted to. I dont think that having Palmer over Kitna would have provided that offense with an extra 28 points.

Oh.. and last thing.. Timber... Carson Palmer has done NOTHING against the Steelers to say that he owned them. He has beaten them one time. In that one game, it was the special teams of the Bungles which beat the Steelers.

[Spitball67]

Bengals were winning 17-3 at one point. Doesn't matter who you have in at QB if your defense can't hold a 14 point lead in a playoff game.

[Royce]

Oh, just to make sure, I looked up his numbers against the Steelers in 2004, his first starting year. He end up posting a QB rating of 64.5 and throwing 3 INT and only 3 TD in two contest against the Steelers. Sorry, but it's quite clear that Carson Palmer does not own the Steelers as you put it, Timberwolf.


You cannot judge a player on essentially his rookie season. That game is a much different game if Palmer plays.

[Royce]

Bengals were winning 17-3 at one point. Doesn't matter who you have in at QB if your defense can't hold a 14 point lead in a playoff game.


Sometimes it helps to get some "insurance" rather then putting a burden on your defense.

[Durango53]

Dont that make the saying ring even more true now?

Defense wins championships.......

[Royce]

Yeah sure, but you never play a game just with your defense. You defense can play spectacular and still lose by means of turnovers and special teams miscues. A good team, not a good defense (which is why I think the Bears are going no where), wins a championship.

[PissedPrincess]

Dont that make the saying ring even more true now?

Defense wins championships.......

Half true. The last 25 or so SB teams with the Ravens of 00 and Pats of 01 being the exceptions, had top 10 offenses to go with good defenses.

[Spitball67]

I will give you Royce the fact that the Bears lack of offense may be the thing that keeps them from going far in the playoffs. But I'll guarantee you, if they get up by 14 points this week over Carolina, game over, Bears win.

[PissedPrincess]

I will give you Royce the fact that the Bears lack of offense may be the thing that keeps them from going far in the playoffs. But I'll guarantee you, if they get up by 14 points this week over Carolina, game over, Bears win.

Gee, going out on a limb there huh? :D Any team that gets a 14 point lead in the playoffs is probably gonna win.:)

[Royce]

I will give you Royce the fact that the Bears lack of offense may be the thing that keeps them from going far in the playoffs. But I'll guarantee you, if they get up by 14 points this week over Carolina, game over, Bears win.


With that defense I agree, but that's only if the offense doesn't forfeit field position and special teams doesn't allow big plays on kick/punt returns. I think if the Chicago defense has an off day, chances say they're out.

[Spitball67]

Gee, going out on a limb there huh? :D Any team that gets a 14 point lead in the playoffs is probably gonna win.:)


except the 2005 Bengals. Or the 1992 Houston Oilers. ;)

[Royce]

Or the Giants vs. 49ers.

[Timberwolf]

You start out the year saying Palmer is a below standard QB and now act like you have been singing his song your whole life...

Did I ever ever ripped Carson Palmer? Better yet, did I even talked about him when the season started? The answer was neither. I never recalled ripping him or praising him. I started becoming sold on him around Week 7.

[Timberwolf]

Good God, the next person that says that Kimo's tackle had intent to cause injury...I'm going to slap somebody. Seriously.

Who knows what was Kimo's intent? Only he and Carson knows. I like to know why was Marvin Lewis really angry after the game when someone talked about it. The reason why I have my suspicions was because I actually saw a similiar stunt at a baseball game this past season with the Twins/White Sox at the Metrodome in which Geoff Blum, who was playing for the White Sox at the time, used that karate kick similiar to what Kimo did to Carson against Luis Rodriguez in an extra inning game.

Picture can tell you 10,000 words. It's like of an eye of a beholder. Some people see it differently. It's just that I have visions of what Blum did to Rodriguez when I saw that hit. That's was the first picture that came to mind.

[Timberwolf]

Shawn: When Kitna came to the game, the Bengals were leading. That lead came when Carson Palmer threw a TD. You actually were worried that Kitna was going to come in and do a good job? Now granted I don't watch Steelers games so I take your word for it, but I sensed everything was over as soon as Kitna came in. The crowd at Paul Brown Stadium was dead. It was like a funeral when Carson got hurt. You could just sense that everything was coming to an end.

No Carson did not play defense, but you could bet Carson would gave the Bengals better time poessession than Kitna. Bengals looked inept when Kitna came in. Sure Kitna started off well, but then Kitna became Kitna. His passes was horrible and the offense wasn't just rolling under him the way it was with Kitna. Maybe Bengals don't win that game, but you can bet the Bengals would have more time poessession with Carson than Kitna. Steelers clearly took advantage of that as they decided to run the ball and milk most of the clock because of Kitna's ineffectiveness.

To me, stats don't tell you the whole story. In two meetings this year, I thought Carson played very well against the Steelers so that should say something.

[Thedatch]

Who knows what was Kimo's intent? Only he and Carson knows. I like to know why was Marvin Lewis really angry after the game when someone talked about it. The reason why I have my suspicions was because I actually saw a similiar stunt at a baseball game this past season with the Twins/White Sox at the Metrodome in which Geoff Blum, who was playing for the White Sox at the time, used that karate kick similiar to what Kimo did to Carson against Luis Rodriguez in an extra inning game.

Picture can tell you 10,000 words. It's like of an eye of a beholder. Some people see it differently. It's just that I have visions of what Blum did to Rodriguez when I saw that hit. That's was the first picture that came to mind.

karate kick? didn't he fall into palmer? what the hell are you talking about?

and carson doesn't know shit...how should he know whether he was injured on purpose?

[Timberwolf]

Yes, he fell into Palmer, but Geoff Blum also fell into Luis Rodriguez and then the leg kick came in. All tacklers are going to fall into players, but the thing is that guy was holding Carson for too long which started the injury. That's when my vision of Blum came in.

I think all QBs can figure out if it was on purpose or not. They have gone through this going back to junior varsity football.

[Thedatch]

Yes, he fell into Palmer, but Geoff Blum also fell into Luis Rodriguez and then the leg kick came in. All tacklers are going to fall into players, but the thing is that guy was holding Carson for too long which started the injury. That's when my vision of Blum came in.

I think all QBs can figure out if it was on purpose or not. They have gone through this going back to junior varsity football.

I've been watching highlights of this tackle for the past few minutes...I don't see anything intentional at all. He fell onto him, there was no leg involved, so I dunno how that has anything to do with it.

he was holding him too long? he fell!! come on!

http://www.nfl.com/video/18

^^ here's the link if you want to watch again

[a_ndrew3000]

I think all QBs can figure out if it was on purpose or not. They have gone through this going back to junior varsity football.

JV QB = Mind reader



nuff said

[Eva]

Who knows what was Kimo's intent? Only he and Carson knows.
I like how you say that, then say another thing to contradict yourself.

If only Carson and Kimo know, then you really should stop speculating on the matter. The reason I'm not wasting my time discuss the subject, because I do not know what Kimo's intent was and I'm not going to waste my time speculating on the matter without any justify reason, which has yet to be presented.

Jeez, you keep bring up that stupid play involving Blum and Rodriguez that just about the entire world forgot about.

I still find it funny you choose to ignore stat, because stat almost never back-up your absurd opinions. Do you live in the world of Timberwolf when facts no longer matter? There was quite a difference between Palmer first meeting with this Steelers this year, where he was nothing more than average looking QB against a good defense, compare Palmer during the second meeting, where he was the good and upcoming QB he looked like the entire year. If Palmer had a moderate game against the Steelers during his first game. Keep saying he handle himself, he still lost that game and threw for two INT.

One thing you are consistent for is ignoring the facts for your own personal opinions. :duh:

[imgreat95]

Timber, i have just come to the conclusion that you did not watch the game. Carson was knocked out on the 2nd offensive play of the game for the Bengals. Please explain to me how he had thrown a TD pass without the Bengals having had the ball. I would really really love to know.

[imgreat95]

also, I am curious. how does Palmer know what Kimo's intent was?? Did he tell him prior to the game?

[imgreat95]

and please PLEASE stop saying whoever it was (I dont remember...) that the Steelers were down 17-3 at one point. They were down 10-0... and then 10-7..... they didnt kick a FG until the 4th quarter.

[Thedatch]

Timber, i have just come to the conclusion that you did not watch the game. Carson was knocked out on the 2nd offensive play of the game for the Bengals. Please explain to me how he had thrown a TD pass without the Bengals having had the ball. I would really really love to know.

:laff: he also said that Palmer was karate kicked to the ground as if Bruce Lee somehow got re-incarnated into Kimo Van...umm, oerlhoffen, or however you spell his name.

[Durango53]

Dang the stats come back to haunt again.

[ed500]

just for everyone's info
Palmer himself absolved Kimo of an intentional injury attack

[00_Agent]

Shawn, I'm glad someone else beat me to accusing him of not having watched the game. Kimo didn't hold Palmer at all, the score was never 17-3, there was no kick, Palmer never threw a touchdown pass, and if anything it seemed like the Bengals were pumped up after Palmer went down. Even after we got it to 10-7, they scored again to go up 17-7.

I really kind of feel bad everyone is piling on to Timberwolf here, but facts have to be kept straight.

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[imgreat95]

when i was initially reading this thread, i was thinking to myself "self... someone has surely set these t hings straight by now... several hours after they were said... SURELY either rick or Dan at least has pointed out the true facts." Imagine my disappointment when i finish reading the thread only to find out that nothing has been corrected at all. I thought I was going to cry .. THEN, I ht ought i might get myself banned... but i restrained. haha.

[BPBlueSox]

when i was initially reading this thread, i was thinking to myself "self... someone has surely set these t hings straight by now... several hours after they were said... SURELY either rick or Dan at least has pointed out the true facts." Imagine my disappointment when i finish reading the thread only to find out that nothing has been corrected at all. I thought I was going to cry .. THEN, I ht ought i might get myself banned... but i restrained. haha.

lol, i think i'm getting too old for the arguing. :D

[Spitball67]

Bengals were winning 17-3 at one point. Doesn't matter who you have in at QB if your defense can't hold a 14 point lead in a playoff game.



sorry, I was the one that put 17-3. It was 17-7. I don't know how I screwed that up, but I did and I was wrong to post up incorrect information. That certainly was not my intent to mislead anyone, just a screw up. I apologize.

And yes I did watch the entire game, as any true Steelers fan would.

[redsoxman]

A few weeks ago, I predicted the Bengals wouldn't survive the first round. That's awesome.

[rockin500]

the bengals lost because they cant stop anyone on defense. :)

[Dward00]

Stats are fact. You're just going by baseless speculation by saying Palmer ''owns'' the Steelers, which facts prove you wrong. If you said Palmer has the chance to own the Steeler, then you would have some, but not much, reason since he has not been awful against the Steelers. But, just judge a player owning a certain team on whatever absurd reason you believe is beyond me. You can assume Palmer can beat the Steelers, but don't say he ''owns'' the Steelers, when it's absolutely false.


Stats are not fact. If anything stats can very easily be misleading. Sometimes they're indesputable though.

Sports league's all have their own weird little twist to stats. What if we announced Carson Palmers stats as 2.0TD per game instead of 32TD for the season? And what in the hell is a quarterback rating? Why does it make perfect sense? Does anybody ask these questions?

[Dward00]

Yes, he fell into Palmer, but Geoff Blum also fell into Luis Rodriguez and then the leg kick came in. All tacklers are going to fall into players, but the thing is that guy was holding Carson for too long which started the injury. That's when my vision of Blum came in.

I think all QBs can figure out if it was on purpose or not. They have gone through this going back to junior varsity football.


I know exactly what he means. Regardless of whether you believe it was intentional or not, you can't say that it didn't seem right how long he held onto carsons knees. It's pretty obvious. It was like he was trying to make love to his knees for at least a good 2 seconds which is an eternity in football.

If it wasn't intentional then it was completely irresponsible. A pro player shouldn't be bleeping things up like that and getting people hurt. I don't think you get thrown 5 yards by a defender and land on a QB's legs. Looked more like he tripped.

And there's no way I or anyone else would know what happen. But it was either A.)Completely Intentional, or B.)Completely irresponsible. Pick one.

Any defender lucky enough to get close to sniffing distance of a QB wants to break him in half. That's the purpose of the game. However there are limits to it............very stretchy ones.

[Eva]

Stats are not fact. If anything stats can very easily be misleading. Sometimes they're indesputable though.
In this regard, they are. The point I was making is Carson Palmer does not own the Steelers. Simple as that. Mind you, I don't think the Steelers' defense own Carson Palmer. At this point, it's a throw up for me. Could go either way when healthy Palmer out there against a healthy Steeler defense.

I'm quite aware stat are not the complete bare-bottom facts, but to completely disregard when it fit your opinion is ignorant.

[Timberwolf]

Dward: We got stats freaks at this board who for some strange reason believe that stats mean a lot to winning. Look at Matthew Lecroy in baseball. He posts great numbers according to what TC said, but I saw him play and I saw him stink it up most of the time which is why he is looking for a job like me. Stats don't tell you the whole story, but apparently for some people, stats are the be all and end all for most people.

[Durango53]

Stats in baseball and stats in football is not the same.

Timber you are trying to pass bad players in baseball that are "still looking for jobs also" as making a team better.

And no one ever said LeCroy put up great numbers. If they did please show us where. But we are saying he has put up better numbers than the scubs you say are better.

[Royce]

Stats are deceiving sometimes. For example, Barry Zito is not a 14-13 pitcher with a 3.86 ERA usually, but those are the stats he turned in.

Football stats can be deceiving too. A team can run out the clock in the 2nd half and hurt a QB's yards and TD numbers.

[00_Agent]

Alright then, fine...Carson Palmer has beaten the Steelers once in 4 tries. (I won't count the playoff game, or it would be one for five).

That's not owning anyone. That's not even close to owning anyone, and it doesn't have anything to do with any stats but winning and losing.

As for Kimo's play, I must say that you didn't see the game and have no seen no replays...otherwise you could not come to your conclusion about Kimo "making love" to his leg. Seriously...he fell...he hit into Carson. He didn't bounce right off, if that's what you mean, but that's not what usually happens when you land on someone like that. The injury happened the moment he connected, it didn't happen because Kimo didn't try and get off of Carson after he hit him. The entire collision took less than a second.

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[Thedatch]

Seriously...he fell...he hit into Carson. He didn't bounce right off, if that's what you mean, but that's not what usually happens when you land on someone like that. The injury happened the moment he connected, it didn't happen because Kimo didn't try and get off of Carson after he hit him. The entire collision took less than a second.

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bingo

[Timberwolf]

Yes, but that's 1 in 4 tries. Now if it's 1 in 11 tries or 3 for 9 tries, then yeah I agree that Palmer is owned by the Steelers. It's hard to rip a QB if he won once in four tries.

[imgreat95]

no one was ripping him... but please explain to me how a QB "owns" a team that he has only ever beaten one time.

[Timberwolf]

I am going by based on Carson putting good numbers against the Steelers defense, Shawn. He has dominated a good defense in Pittsburgh which is hard to do which is why I stated that he owned the Steelers. You can't fault him for the losses because of a bad defense. He can only do so much. If Tom Brady was with the Bengals, he wouldn't have success against Pitt either because of the Bengals defense. All a QB can do is throw good passes and that's what Carson does. The defense has gotta hold their own of the bargain which is why you can't blame Palmer for the losses.

[Thedatch]

I am going by based on Carson putting good numbers against the Steelers defense, Shawn. He has dominated a good defense in Pittsburgh which is hard to do which is why I stated that he owned the Steelers. You can't fault him for the losses because of a bad defense. He can only do so much. If Tom Brady was with the Bengals, he wouldn't have success against Pitt either because of the Bengals defense. All a QB can do is throw good passes and that's what Carson does. The defense has gotta hold their own of the bargain which is why you can't blame Palmer for the losses.

dude, did you see the patriots' defense earlier on in the season? it was terrible, and it couldn't stop anyone. And I do believe we beat the Steelers under those circumstances. Who did that? Tom Brady did that, with bad defense and all.

[Eva]

He has dominated a good defense in Pittsburgh which is hard to do which is why I stated that he owned the Steelers.
Dominate the Steelers' defense? What are you on about?

Throwing 2 INT and only 1 TD is dominating? Do you have a clue what you're talking about?
The defense has gotta hold their own of the bargain which is why you can't blame Palmer for the losses.
:laff:

Palmer didn't do much to help the Bengals win that game. If he had a great game and lost, then you have a point, but Palmer did nothing, but played between an average to medicore game against the Steelers during Week 6. The Steelers got 10 more points due to Palmer's INT during the 3rd quarter putting that game out of reach.

It's clear you have no idea what you're on about.

[Royce]

dude, did you see the patriots' defense earlier on in the season? it was terrible, and it couldn't stop anyone. And I do believe we beat the Steelers under those circumstances. Who did that? Tom Brady did that, with bad defense and all.


It was 23-20 Pats.

[imgreat95]

i give up. its obvious to everyone but yourself that you are clueless, so before i get myself banned from a site which i help to run, I am going to bow out.

[Dward00]

Dominate the Steelers' defense? What are you on about?

Throwing 2 INT and only 1 TD is dominating? Do you have a clue what you're talking about?

:laff:

Palmer didn't do much to help the Bengals win that game. If he had a great game and lost, then you have a point, but Palmer did nothing, but played between an average to medicore game against the Steelers during Week 6. The Steelers got 10 more points due to Palmer's INT during the 3rd quarter putting that game out of reach.

It's clear you have no idea what you're on about.


An average to mediocre game against the Steelers D is pretty damn awesome. Peyton couldn't do it.

[Eva]

Manning threw for 290 yards and 1 TD. Honestly, what are you on about?

Also, compare this very well played Colts and Steelers game to one side game between the Steelers and Bengals during Week 6. You're bias for the Bengals is showing quite a bit, you know?