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Baseball Guru
01-23-2006, 10:04 AM
http://www.hardballtimes.com/main/article/top-20-second-basemen-for-2006/

by Tim Dierkes
January 23, 2006

A lot of fantasy players disregard second base, as there are never a lot of helpful candidates. You'll still find the usual variety of contributors, from steals guys to 30 home run types. Here's my view of the Top 20:

1. Chone Figgins: You can play Figgins at third base and the outfield in most leagues, but second base is the way to go. He's a good bet for a .300 average, 110 runs, and 55 steals. Given the relative ease of finding 25 home run players for your team, you'd be well served filling second base with Figgins. He'll get plenty of respect this year, and is worthy of at least a $15 bid.

2. Chase Utley: Utley established himself as a premium second baseman in 2005 after showing signs in 2004. His batting average might slip to .280, but his numbers will be strong otherwise. The 15 steals is an added bonus.

3. Jorge Cantu: Cantu had certainly shown great potential in Triple-A in 2004, but many didn't see his breakout 2005 coming. I think Cantu can maintain a decent average despite poor plate discipline, and he'll drive in tons of runs once again. You can play him at third base too.

4. Jeff Kent: Even as Kent enters his late 30s, he's still a force to be reckoned with at second base. His numbers will mirror Utley's but with 10 fewer steals. An improved and healthy supporting cast in LA could mean even more runs and RBIs.

5. Rickie Weeks: Aside from a .239 batting average, Weeks had an excellent rookie season. He'll probably hit .270 or better in his sophomore season, and is a good bet for a 20/20 campaign.

6. Mark Ellis: You might be surprised to see Ellis ranked this high, but I expect improvements on his career best 2005. He has a solid contact rate supporting his ability to hit .300, and he hit ten homers in August and September. Throw in an extra hundred at-bats and Ellis may top 20 home runs in 2006.

7. Marcus Giles: Giles will be replacing Furcal in the leadoff spot, which probably means fewer RBIs and more runs. He could score 110 times, steal 20 bags, and hit .300. He could certainly catapult up these rankings several spots in 2006.

8. Placido Polanco: One of baseball's best contact hitters, Polanco boasts a .300 career average. He should get more at-bats in 2006 and hit near .310. Polanco will also add double digit home runs and 100 or so runs scored. A smart pick to boost your average.

9. Mark Loretta: As Boston's new second baseman, look for Loretta to hit .300 and score 100 runs. Those two categories comprise most of his contribution, but he's still a fine choice.

10. Alfonso Soriano: Sori's value really plummeted upon moving from Ameriquest to RFK. Look for a .250 average with reduced power numbers across the board. The combination of his new lineup and ballpark should knock him down this far, though you can still expect 30 steals. Soriano probably won't come at a big discount, so he doesn't make a good fantasy pick for 2006.

11. Brian Roberts: Recovering from a dislocated left elbow, Roberts will still be questionable in spring training. Other than steals, you can expect a regression in all categories from his 2005 career year. Roberts still gives good value at the position and could be underpriced due to his injury.

12. Tadahito Iguchi: A probable move to the sixth spot in the White Sox order should mean more RBI chances for Iguchi. While he may not top a .270 average, I think he'll jump to 18 home runs in 2006. Twenty steal potential doesn't hurt, either.

13. Ryan Freel: A healthy Freel could be good for 45-50 steals, but that's about it. He'll drain your average and power numbers somewhat, so make sure you can balance that out.

14. Luis Castillo: The new Twins second baseman will hit close to .300 and score 95+ runs if he stays healthy. He'll probably tack on about 12 steals, and would be a solid utility pick.

15. Ron Belliard: Another .280-15-80 campaign is on the way from Belliard, though he doesn't steal bases. You could do a lot worse, although upside looks limited.

16. Ian Kinsler: I guess you might consider Kinsler a sleeper pick, but he's got some question marks. First off, he'll have some competition for the Texas second base job. Second, he may struggle to hit .260. Still, he's probably good for a cheap 20 home runs and 10 steals if he gets his at-bats.

17. Craig Biggio: Biggio looks like a similar player to Kinsler at this point. While more dependable, I'd go for Kinsler's upside and steal potential.

18. Luis Gonzalez: You know, the Colorado version. Aaron Miles is out of the way, so Gonzalez should be able to set career highs in his counting stats. He doesn't steal bases, but is respectable otherwise. He qualifies at shortstop in most leagues.

19. Orlando Hudson: Brought in for his defense, Hudson can still score 80 runs with some pop hitting second for the Diamondbacks. He's far from spectacular, but won't kill your team.

20. Jose Castillo: With a full year at second base for the Pirates, he could hit 15 home runs and knock in 80 RBIs. He should make for an underrated value pick.

Just missed: Robinson Cano, Todd Walker.


Tim Dierkes runs two daily baseball blogs: RotoAuthority.com and MLBTradeRumors.com. He also contributes to fantasy baseball coverage at RotoWorld. He welcomes comments, questions, and suggestions via e-mail.

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01-24-2006, 09:02 AM
16. Ian Kinsler: I guess you might consider Kinsler a sleeper pick, but he's got some question marks. First off, he'll have some competition for the Texas second base job. Second, he may struggle to hit .260. Still, he's probably good for a cheap 20 home runs and 10 steals if he gets his at-bats.I respect the guy's opinion, but putting Kinsler #16 really didn't make much sense. To begin with, as the writer noted Kinsler will have competition for the 2B job that is really unsettled with the Rangers. Kinsler himself spent most of '05 playing shortstop where he has been playing most of his collegiate and minor league career. So he's got to show he can first play 2B in the majors. If he can't, maybe Mark DeRosa can or the Rangers might also consider shifting Michael Young back to 2B (his natural position).

With all of those IF's going on, it's hard to think of putting Kinsler at #16 when Robinson Cano already has a 2B job pretty secure and already showed he can hit nearly .300 with a modicum of power in the big leagues.

But let's assume the writer is correct and Kinsler does win the job and is "probably good for a cheap 20 home runs and 10 steals if he gets his at-bats." If he's going to struggle to hit .260, then why not make Craig Biggio #16 and put Kinsler at #17???????

Baseball Guru
01-24-2006, 09:32 AM
Also amazing how far he thinks that Sori will fall....

I agree that Kinsler has NO business being ahead of Biggio, who, besides the lower average, showed no signes of slowing down last season... Career high in HR's:thumbsup:

Not sure how Cano missed the cut:notme:

Royce
01-24-2006, 03:38 PM
Yeah really, Soriano is probably the best second baseman powerwise and has a ton of speed. Cano should be good this year, too. He's has some pop and could hit like 25 HRs with that short porch in right field at the Stadium.

645
01-25-2006, 08:21 AM
Yeah really, Soriano is probably the best second baseman powerwise and has a ton of speed.

Please, Soriano is the most overrated Player in Fantasy Baseball.

Mr. Met on Pot
01-25-2006, 01:49 PM
No love for Kaz or Bret Boone?

Baseball Guru
01-25-2006, 06:48 PM
No love for Kaz or Bret Boone?


Funny...:laff:

PopTop
01-26-2006, 07:58 AM
Please, Soriano is the most overrated Player in Fantasy Baseball.Didn't you also tell us last August that Tiki Barber wasn't that great a pick for RB?

645
01-26-2006, 09:33 AM
Well, Although you try to be Perfect no one is and although you try to give good advice but sometimes you do end up giving bad advice and yes I will admit that is one of the few Times I have been Wrong.

But you should keep in mind that I am still a very good Fantasy Player that have win quit of few Fantasy Championships and I like to say I'm sorry for letting you down on that one.

But this isn't the best opion of mine for you to bring that up for Soriano being overrated isn't new news. It is very old news and he has a very long record of being overrated.

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01-26-2006, 11:54 AM
But this isn't the best opion of mine for you to bring that up for Soriano being overrated isn't new news. It is very old news and he has a very long record of being overrated.We obviously disagree on the definition of 'very long record of being overrated' ...

YEAR . OPS . RUN . HR . RBI . SB
2005 . 821 . 122 . 36 . 104 . 30
2004 . 808 . .77 . 28 . .91 . 18
2003 . 863 . 114 . 38 . .91 . 35
2002 . 879 . 128 . 39 . 102 . 41
2001 . 736 . .77 . 18 . .73 . 43

You know any other player who put up overall stats like those the last five years this is not rated very highly by fantasy players? Now if you want to suggest his numbers will drop a little this season playing half the time in a less hitter-friendly park for the Nationals, I might buy into some of that. But I can't think of a single "overrated" player who has averaged nearly 32 HR, more than 33 SB, over 90 RBI and over 100 Runs the last five seasons.

Baseball Guru
01-26-2006, 02:13 PM
Not sure with his #'s why anyone thinks he's overrated but I honestly think he's better than the 10th best 2B in baseball:eyebrow

645
01-27-2006, 01:45 AM
We obviously disagree on the definition of 'very long record of being overrated' ...

YEAR . OPS . RUN . HR . RBI . SB
2005 . 821 . 122 . 36 . 104 . 30
2004 . 808 . .77 . 28 . .91 . 18
2003 . 863 . 114 . 38 . .91 . 35
2002 . 879 . 128 . 39 . 102 . 41
2001 . 736 . .77 . 18 . .73 . 43

You know any other player who put up overall stats like those the last five years this is not rated very highly by fantasy players? Now if you want to suggest his numbers will drop a little this season playing half the time in a less hitter-friendly park for the Nationals, I might buy into some of that. But I can't think of a single "overrated" player who has averaged nearly 32 HR, more than 33 SB, over 90 RBI and over 100 Runs the last five seasons.

Alright, There is no question that he is a very good player and puts up very good numbers but this is a Fantasy Forum and I'm talking about him in a fantasy sence.

You see every player has a giving value based on what you can expect him to give your fantasy team and each Player also have a cost of having them based on where you have to Draft them or what you have to give up to Trade for them.

So you see the cost of Soriano have been a lower to middle first round pick among the best of the best. Among the Pujols and the Vladimir Guerrero or the Manny Ramirez who have more Runs and more RBI's and far better Batting Averge. So you see when I say hes overrated I refor to the fact that the cost of having him on your Fantasy Team is more then the value he gives you.

Baseball Guru
01-27-2006, 05:51 AM
So you see the cost of Soriano have been a lower to middle first round pick among the best of the best. Among the Pujols and the Vladimir Guerrero or the Manny Ramirez who have more Runs and more RBI's and far better Batting Averge. So you see when I say hes overrated I refor to the fact that the cost of having him on your Fantasy Team is more then the value he gives you.


Well you just compared Sori to 3 of the top 5 players in all of baseball... You also have to look at his position and the #'s he puts up from that position.. Not many other 2B are going to give you #'s like that....

645
01-27-2006, 07:56 AM
Well James you do make a valid point there there are not manny good secound basemen and you know that is part of why he's overrated becouse there are not many and that the few good one there are everyone over pays for them.

So you know what I have figured out. You usely end up disapointed with who ever you end up with regardless if you use a high pick on the so called best or a lesser player and that the best way to deal with the position is to wright it off and take a chance on someone in the late rounds and hope you get lucky.

PopTop
01-27-2006, 09:05 AM
Alright, There is no question that he is a very good player and puts up very good numbers but this is a Fantasy Forum and I'm talking about him in a fantasy sence.I'm very much aware this is the fantasy forum. I've also been speaking of him in terms of his fantasy value. Haven't said a damn thing about his defense or striking out or a host of other variables that generally aren't tallied in fantasy baseball. But a middle infielder who has averaged a 30-30 season for the last five years simply can't be consdered 'overrated for a very long time.' Quit pissing on my leg and trying to convince me that it's raining!

Mr. Met on Pot
01-27-2006, 01:31 PM
I don't know why you would put Soriano that late on the list. He's in the top 3 of the best 2B in baseball besides the fact that he can't field for his life. Might be one of the top 10 hitters in baseball. Show him some love, show him some love...

Baseball Guru
01-27-2006, 01:34 PM
Quit pissing on my leg and trying to convince me that it's raining!

:eek:
Is this a Texas term?;)

PopTop
01-28-2006, 06:50 PM
Nah. Far too advanced a vocabulary for your average Texan to handle ;) Down here we just say, "Stop feedin' me all that bullsh!t, podner."

Baseball Guru
01-29-2006, 10:06 PM
Nah. Far too advanced a vocabulary for your average Texan to handle ;) Down here we just say, "Stop feedin' me all that bullsh!t, podner."

:eek:

Royce
07-09-2006, 01:23 PM
Please, Soriano is the most overrated Player in Fantasy Baseball.

:laff:

redsfan
07-09-2006, 01:43 PM
When did the author write this article. I don't see Uggla anywhere on this list. Where is Phillips. He is one of the biggest suprises in 2B this year. It had to have been written before the season.

Eva
07-10-2006, 12:04 AM
When did the author write this article. I don't see Uggla anywhere on this list. Where is Phillips. He is one of the biggest suprises in 2B this year. It had to have been written before the season.
Considering this topic was made back in January, I think that's enough of an answer for you. :laff:

redsfan
07-10-2006, 04:05 AM
Considering this topic was made back in January, I think that's enough of an answer for you. :laff:

You are right. I did not notice the date the first time I read it. I scrolled straight to the article. I should learn to look before I ask a stupid question.