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Baseball Guru
04-10-2006, 10:37 AM
http://msn.foxsports.com/mlb/story/5488220
Ken Rosenthal / FOXSports.com




In the opinion of several general managers, it's practically a given that the Marlins will trade left-hander Dontrelle Willis before the July 31 non-waiver deadline.

Marlins president David Samson, however, calls such a deal "highly unlikely." Willis' agent, Matt Sosnick, says he would be "very surprised" if it happened.


Which will it be then?

When in doubt with the Marlins, bet on a trade.

The team's policy is that no player is untouchable, and keeping Willis isn't necessary to help secure a ballpark deal in south Florida or anywhere else, Samson says.

"I don't think one player gets a stadium deal done," Samson says. "Cities that want baseball want it for 50 years. They're looking for the name on the front of the jersey. They're not focused on a specific player."

If that's the case — if this is a typical baseball decision in which the Marlins weigh Willis' future earnings and performance against the low-priced bounty they could receive in return — the D-Train soon could be running somewhere else.

Willis, 24, stands to earn at least $7 million next season in arbitration, perhaps $10 million the season after that. The Marlins' entire payroll this season is $14.3 million. They need a new ballpark to keep Willis for the long term — and it's doubtful they will secure financing for one by July 31.

Any team that acquired Willis would control him for the rest of 2006, plus all of '07 and '08. Right-hander Bartolo Colon was a season closer to free agency when the Indians sent him to the Expos in a six-player deal in which they landed two cornerstones, center fielder Grady Sizemore and left-hander Cliff Lee. For Willis — a pitcher far more marketable than Colon — the Marlins could aim even higher.

From the Cubs, the Marlins could ask for a package starting with outfielder Felix Pie. From the Braves, they could demand catcher Jarrod Saltalamacchia. From the Red Sox, they could require left-hander Jon Lester.

Those names — and those teams — would only be the beginning.

Yet if the Marlins traded Willis — and followed that next season by trading third baseman Miguel Cabrera after his first crack at arbitration — the logical question, in Sosnick's words, would be, "What's the use of owning a team?"

"It's one thing to save $50 million in salary and maybe forfeit a season," says Sosnick, who, along with his partner, Paul Cobbe, represents five Marlins in addition to Willis. "For a guy as competitive as Mr. Loria, it's almost impossible for me to think he would just concede for the foreseeable future."

Bexar County Judge Nelson Wolff, one of the San Antonio officials who met last week with Marlins executives, adds, "They've already got the payroll down about as low as they can get it. As they try to make a (ballpark) deal, they don't want to lose 160 games."

Samson, however, says that of the issues the Marlins face in trying to secure a new park, the identity of the team's players is "not even in the top 20."

So, would the Marlins trade Willis?

"You know us — over the years, everyone is available at all times," Samson says. "One of the things we talk about is that no one player is bigger than the team. That's why there is no such thing in our mind as an untouchable player. All you're doing is limiting and closing off other options.

"I would say there are certain players who are far less likely to be traded than others. I would put Dontrelle in that category."

For now. Maybe not for long.

Ken Rosenthal is the senior baseball writer for FOXSports.com.

PopTop
04-12-2006, 10:59 AM
From correspondence I've had with Bud Selig: "We are going to try very hard to keep this team in Florida, and I promise you I will do everything I can to make sure the Marlins will be the Florida Marlins for generations to come."

MLB doesn't want to give up on Miami and its TV market right now. Anywhere they move the club would be to a smaller media market, meaning wherever the team might land would make it a revenue sucker and not a revenue sharer. If they do move to San Antonio, which wouldn't bother me one bit since there's a good chance the new stadium would be just 30-45 minutes from my house, the franchise will be in the same shape 10 years from now as it is right now in FLA.

I told Marlins owner Jeffrey Loria this, and even made him an offer: After 10 seasons in San Antonio, if they had pulled 20,000,000 fannies through the turnstiles (not tickets sold or given away, but actual fans in attendance), I would come to work for him for free for 12 months doing anything from parking cars and cleaning restrooms to hawking soda and programs. Loria has yet to respond, and I doubt he ever will because that would be an acknowledgement that he received my letter and be afraid of taking me up on my offer because he, and Selig, know I'm right.

Baseball Guru
04-12-2006, 03:44 PM
Why do you feel that the franchise, if moved to S.A., would be in the same shape as now? Just no market for baseball in that area?

PopTop
04-13-2006, 01:35 PM
The city is simply not a baseball city. This is football country, period. Here's the order of sports in San Antonio:

1) High School Football
2a) Texas Longhorns varsity sports
2b) Dallas Cowboys
3) San Antonio Spurs
4) Whoever is playing a Houston team

The Alamo City is nothing like Houston or Dallas-Ft. Worth. In effect, San Antonio is the second capital of Mexico. No joke there. Take this past weekend, for example. Thousands of 'upper middle class' Mexican nationals poured into San Antonio for their annual spring shopping. They do it every year the weekend before Easter, and you can't get a hotel room anywhere in the city off the Riverwalk.

I do joke a bit about #4 above, rooting against Houston. In all seriousness, Latin fútbol is probably fourth.

San Antonio does a better job supporting University of Texas sports than Austin does supporting San Antonio sports, so you can't just lump Austin in on this deal like some people are wont to do. Sure, some people from Austin will trek down I-35 a few times a year to see a game, especially if they put the ballpark right off I-35 on San Antonio's NE side. But the majority of people in Austin will barely even know there is a major league team in SA.

San Antonio barely supports the Double-A team they've had here for a long time. It's now the Mariners' Texas League entry, and I think that is part of the problem. When the AA-Missions belonged to the LA Dodgers system, the city did a better job supporting the club. Why? Very simple: Los Angeles has a much larger Latin base to its population and has always had a lot of Latins come through their system.

The fact SA ranks somewhere near #40 --- I've seen different rankings from 35-44 --- in terms of media market share is another factor. Media outlets separate SA and Austin for the very reason I just offered up. The simple fact is that if majority of people in Austin have a choice of watching any MLB action (Houston or Texas) or a UT athletic event on TV, they'll choose the Longhorns game in overwhelming numbers.

In the end, a major league club here will have nothing short of an overall negative effect on all pro baseball in the state. It will take away from the Astros' and Rangers' fan bases, it will affect Houston's farm clubs in Round Rock and Corpus Christi, and 10 years from now a San Antonio team will be fledgling after also causing damage to the Rangers and 'Stros.

Now admittedly, I have a bias in some of my own perceptions on this since I am an Astros fan. But in the end, I am also just a baseball fan, period. If I really thought it would be a good thing for San Antonio, for MLB and for the two teams already here, I would be supporting it 110%. I do think that a good rivalry between Houston and San Antonio would develop, assuming that they would both remain NL clubs and probably wind up in the same division (with maybe Pittsburgh moving to NL East?). But the bottom line is I do NOT think this is what is best for MLB, and I don't think it's what is best for the two MLB clubs already established in the Lone Star State.

And lastly, Loria ran the Montreal club into the ground and now has had a similar experience with FLA. Maybe he's had clubs in locales that really didn't want to support MLB no matter what. Not to mention, any vote for stadium approval won't come in SA until this November. I think that's ample time to either work things out in Miami or find another location (Carolina, Oklahoma) that a move would be win-win for Loria and for MLB.

treasurecoast1
05-01-2006, 11:57 PM
Another thing about San Antonio is that while the CITY has a large (over a million) population, the SUBURBS are very small. San Antonio is NOT a large metro area, and would have a tough time supporting baseball in the current economic environment.

skineg
05-11-2006, 09:58 PM
Well, I can tell ya this, another bill got shot down, so it looks more and more likely that the fish are moving SOMEWHERE. I hate to say it, but it looks more and more like this nightmare will be coming true. Maybe San Antonio isn't ready, but the Marlins have to do something before 2009, and actually before then, because their lease is up in 2010. I know that MLB is high on San Antonio because the NFL did so well there in the wake of Katrina. The most obvious choice, Vegas, is seemingly being blocked by MLB because of the gambling issue, so who knows?

PEACE
Brett


PS Damn it's good to talk baseball with baseball people.

redsfan
05-15-2006, 01:06 PM
I would like them to stay put, but if they do move I would like them to go where there has not been baseball before. It would be fun to watch an area support a team that has really been wanting one.

skineg
05-18-2006, 09:03 PM
The most likely canidates for the Marlins move is:

Portland
San Antonio*
Northern Virginia
Las Vegas
-or-
Staying in Florida

PEACE
Brett

*still seems the most likely