david ortiz!!!

[Thedatch]

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[Blue56]

Does it Again!

[BostonRedSox58]

Wow, Papi is the best clutch hitter ever.

[Yankeesfan27]

Ever? Wow, that's a pretty baised statement.

[Thedatch]

Ever? Wow, that's a pretty baised statement.

can you name another?

im not agreeing, cuz I havent really looked into it, but I dont really know anyone off the top of my head who comes through in the clutch like papi does.

[Blue56]

Definetly not in the past 10 years, but I also like Pujols when he's healthy

[rockin500]

can you name another?

im not agreeing, cuz I havent really looked into it, but I dont really know anyone off the top of my head who comes through in the clutch like papi does.
no, hes just very clutch the past coupla years.

but still, gimme pujols

[Thedatch]

no, hes just very clutch the past coupla years.

but still, gimme pujols

for sure, I think pujols is the better overall hitter, and anyone would be crazy not to want him on their team.

say the cards wanted to trade pujols for Ortiz...would you do it?

[Eva]

say the cards wanted to trade pujols for Ortiz...would you do it?
That's a silly question.

Pujols is young and better overall player than Ortiz and if he continue to play like he has during his career up to this point, he'll go down as one of the best players in MLB history. Everyone in MLB would swap any player for Pujols.

[Yankeesfan27]

can you name another?

im not agreeing, cuz I havent really looked into it, but I dont really know anyone off the top of my head who comes through in the clutch like papi does.

People really need to think about what "clutch" means. "Clutch" is not just hits in late innings.

Also, I haven't watched much footage of the old people. Because there isn't much that is available. Which really is why people are thinking Ortiz is the best ever, but he's only been doing this for several years. I'd be willing to bet that Ted Williams was more clutch considering he's the best hitter to ever walk on the face of this earth.

Also, Pujols hasn't even gotten started yet. You haven't seen anything.

[cxlx]

I like Pujols and all, but Ortizzle is my man. Pujols almost cost twice as much. Maybe Im biase, but so what. Ill take Ortiz. :)

[Thedatch]

I like Pujols and all, but Ortizzle is my man. Pujols almost cost twice as much. Maybe Im biase, but so what. Ill take Ortiz. :)

I agree :notme:

and yankees fan, who knows if we've seen all of ortiz yet? let's talk at the end of both of their careers :)

[BostonRedSox58]

People really need to think about what "clutch" means. "Clutch" is not just hits in late innings.

Also, I haven't watched much footage of the old people. Because there isn't much that is available. Which really is why people are thinking Ortiz is the best ever, but he's only been doing this for several years. I'd be willing to bet that Ted Williams was more clutch considering he's the best hitter to ever walk on the face of this earth.

Also, Pujols hasn't even gotten started yet. You haven't seen anything.

clutch
a tense critical situation; "he is a good man in the clutch"

Um, yeah. Red Sox down in the game/tied post 7th inning, and Papi ties or wins it (14 times in the regular season WALK OFFS ONLY, 3 times in the postseason) is clutch.

[Thedatch]

saw a stat on espn today, Ortiz, since 2003 has the most RBI of anyone in the MLB, with 489.

would you still take pujols? :tongue:

of course im being sarcastic, but I'm not so sure the choice between ortiz and pujols is so clear cut as some have made it out to be.

[svp]

yeah, I agree ^^^^

But still...I'd probably take Ortiz...and I probably am biased also :tongue:

[PissedPrincess]

People really need to think about what "clutch" means. "Clutch" is not just hits in late innings.

Also, I haven't watched much footage of the old people. Because there isn't much that is available. Which really is why people are thinking Ortiz is the best ever, but he's only been doing this for several years. I'd be willing to bet that Ted Williams was more clutch considering he's the best hitter to ever walk on the face of this earth.

Also, Pujols hasn't even gotten started yet. You haven't seen anything.

Why is Pujols even in this discussion? This is a thread to celebrate David Ortiz the most clutch hitter the Sox have had since Yaz in 67. You don't find Ortiz clutch?

Remeber this? Game 4 2004 ALCS
http://cache.boston.com/bonzai-fba/Globe_Photo/2004/10/18/1098081230_6887.jpg

Not clutch enough? How about this? Game 5.

http://cache.boston.com/bonzai-fba/Globe_Photo/2004/10/18/1098157492_9635.jpg

[I Are Baboon]

Also, Pujols hasn't even gotten started yet. You haven't seen anything.

Yeah man, Pujols was terrific in the 2004 World Series!



:laff:

[PissedPrincess]

Yeah man, Pujols was terrific in the 2004 World Series!



:laff:

I think he hit .136. But I'm sure he was more clutch than Ortiz.:hmm:

[rockin500]

ok, hes clutch. ;)

[Thedatch]

ok, hes clutch. ;)

:laff:

wow

[Yankeesfan27]

The reading comprehension in this thread is amazing. :laff:


That's a silly question.

Pujols is young and better overall player than Ortiz and if he continue to play like he has during his career up to this point, he'll go down as one of the best players in MLB history. Everyone in MLB would swap any player for Pujols.

[Thedatch]

The reading comprehension in this thread is amazing. :laff:

wait, what?

I missed the point of your post.

[Yankeesfan27]

BostonRedSox58 stated that Ortiz is the greatest clutch hitter ever. Evangelion and I then brought up Pujols. You people following now?

[Thedatch]

BostonRedSox58 stated that Ortiz is the greatest clutch hitter ever. Evangelion and I then brought up Pujols. You people following now?

haha, no!

screw it, i'm confused as hell...lol

I mean, I understand that you two brought up pujols, but...so what?

[Yankeesfan27]

Just nevermind it. ;)

[Thedatch]

Just nevermind it. ;)

:laff: I think I just might.

back to the topic on hand.

Ortiz rulez!

[yagsy]

Does this man ever miss? Years ago, Thurman Munson (d. 8/2/79) used to be the epitome of clutch. When the Yankees needed a hit, it seemed he ALWAYS came through. I was so relaxed when he came up to the plate because I knew he would win it. But he wasn't a HR hitter. Usually you could count on him for a single or a double, but not a home run. He was a good RBI guy but the game winners weren't tracked then and Thurm wasn't flashy like a Reggie Jackson. But for those of us who watched day in and day out remember Thurm for his amazing clutch hitting, sometimes it was a single, sometimes it was just moving a runner over that created a situation for a big inning. I don't ever recall a moment where he didn't come through in some way and I often used to wonder if he would ever screw up. He never did.

Ortiz is just sick - that man continues to do it night after night after night. I don't ever recall any player since I've been watching baseball...how this guy continues to come through with such power.

re: Pujols vs Ortiz
Jacqui brought up an excellent point - until Pulols wins a World Series game or propels his team to do so, then I honestly can't agree that Pujols is more clutch than Ortiz. When true pressure was felt and up against tough pitching, Pujols crumbled, Ortiz shined... in the ALCS and World Series. I don't think that Ted Williams or Yaz was as clutch as Ortiz since neither one of them won anything. Ted Williams only post season was in 1946 where he batted a whole .200 (5 - 25) with no extra base hits and one RBI and 2 runs. Yaz had a better average but he didn't have success in playing in winning games. Yaz always had great stats, watched him play for many years but he never seemed to be a come thru kind of guy like Thurman Munson was. Ex: in '67 he hit 3HRs but only got 5 RBIs in 7 World Series games, but his average was .400. in '75 World Series, he had a .310 avg but hit no homers and only 4 RBIs in 7 games. In 3 games in the ALCS '75, he hit .455 with 1 double and 2RBIs but in only 3 games, 11ABs.

In my experience of watching baseball, I don't ever recall someone as clutch as Oritz...but then again, I only have been following baseball since '67.

[Royce]

Yeah man, Pujols was terrific in the 2004 World Series!



:laff:

Well, how did Ortiz do in Minnesota? He wasn't that great. Pujols has been in the league no where as long as Ortiz. It took Ortiz a while to "become" as clutch as he is now. I don't recall him hitting walkoffs left and right with the Twins.

[Thedatch]

Well, how did Ortiz do in Minnesota? He wasn't that great. Pujols has been in the league no where as long as Ortiz. It took Ortiz a while to "become" as clutch as he is now. I don't recall him hitting walkoffs left and right with the Twins.

he had 5 walk off hits with the twins I believe. I don't know how long he was with the twins.

[I Are Baboon]

I saw on SportsCenter tonight that since 2002, Ortiz has come to the plate 13 times with an opportunity to win the game. He has been retired ONCE: 5 HR, 3 other hits, 4 walks.

Sick.

[Plastic Bat]

I bet the Twins are kicking themselves for letting him up. Imagine how much better they would be if the had him now? Scary.

[PissedPrincess]

I saw on SportsCenter tonight that since 2002, Ortiz has come to the plate 13 times with an opportunity to win the game. He has been retired ONCE: 5 HR, 3 other hits, 4 walks.

Sick.

That is insane. INSANE.

[Thedatch]

I saw on SportsCenter tonight that since 2002, Ortiz has come to the plate 13 times with an opportunity to win the game. He has been retired ONCE: 5 HR, 3 other hits, 4 walks.

Sick.

I wonder what that out was...I bet it was a long fly ball :tongue:

not to mention all the times he has tied the game with hits, too...

[PissedPrincess]

It was a 400 foot fly ball, that would have been out of any other park.

[Thedatch]

It was a 400 foot fly ball, that would have been out of any other park.

oh! that was the one he hit right to the end of the warning track in right field, right? right at the bullpen?

the guy is just amazing. no doubt about it, without Ortiz, the sox would be far, far behind.

by the way, princess...is your home computer fixed yet? are you getting it fixed?

[PissedPrincess]

My home computer is still broke. I need someone to fix it.:( The guy that is supposed to fix it is so busy.:(

[cxlx]

My home computer is still broke. I need someone to fix it.:( The guy that is supposed to fix it is so busy.:(

What is wrong with it? :confused:

[PissedPrincess]

What is wrong with it? :confused:

:notme: Windows needs to be re-installed I think. One day it simply wouldn't work. It keeps going to the same start up screen that says start windows normally, I click on it, then it just keeps coming back.:angry:

[cxlx]

Easy fix. Do you run on windows XP? Just pop the windows xp disc in there. Its a self booting disc, so it will just jump into a install disc and just follow the instructions. Its real simple instructions. Really simple. Try it and even if you eff up, its ok, you can just reinstall windows again with someone's help. Save yourself some money. :)

[PissedPrincess]

Yep. Windows XP. Hmmm...maybe I will try myself then.:thumbsup:

[Royce]

It was a 400 foot fly ball, that would have been out of any other park.

Polo Grounds? ;)

[PissedPrincess]

Ortiz's clutch ability no myth: While there can often be hyperbole centering around a player as gifted as David Ortiz, there are hard numbers to prove how clutch Big Papi has been over the last few years.

Ortiz's three-run walk-off homer against the Indians on Monday night marked the fifth time he has ended a game with a hit this season, and the 15th time he has done it (including postseason) since joining the Red Sox. But there are some even more telling numbers to chew on.

According to ESPN Research, Ortiz has strode to the plate 13 times since the start of the 2005 season with a chance to win the game with one swing. In those situations, he's made one out.

The breakdown is five homers, three singles and four walks (three of which have been intentional). The one time he made an out? On June 26, when he grounded out in the ninth inning against the Phillies. Three innings later, he ended that same game with a home run.

Author and Red Sox blogger Allan Wood (http://joyofsox.blogspot.com) came up with some more goodies.

This season, Ortiz is 5-for-6 in walk-off situations with three homers, 10 RBIs and two walks. Last year, he was 2-for-2 with two homers, five RBIs and two walks. In the 2004 postseason, he was 3-for-5 with two homers, five RBIs and a walk. During the '04 regular season, he was 2-for-8 with a homer and three RBIs. And in 2003, Ortiz was 2-for-5 with a homer, two RBIs and a walk.

[PissedPrincess]

So, in other words, 13 times, the Red Sox have had an opportunity to lose a game, 13 times, Ortiz refused to let that happen.


*Stop reading here NYY fans*

If those mothereffing NY writers refuse to vote Ortiz MYP again they should be shot. Seriously. Ortiz shoulda won last year, AFRAUD did. Since then, Ortiz has stepped it up another level, AFRAUD dropped a level.

In the last 162 calendar games, Ortiz has 60 HR's and 169 RBI's. No one else is on that planet. Not even close. Not even Pujols.

[Thedatch]

So, in other words, 13 times, the Red Sox have had an opportunity to lose a game, 13 times, Ortiz refused to let that happen.


*Stop reading here NYY fans*

If those mothereffing NY writers refuse to vote Ortiz MYP again they should be shot. Seriously. Ortiz shoulda won last year, AFRAUD did. Since then, Ortiz has stepped it up another level, AFRAUD dropped a level.

In the last 162 calendar games, Ortiz has 60 HR's and 169 RBI's. No one else is on that planet. Not even close. Not even Pujols.

Since 2003, Ortiz has the most RBI of anyone in the MLB as well...his average may not be up there with pujols, but homers and rbi, he blows everyone away.

[PissedPrincess]

Test.

[PissedPrincess]

Superman named AL Player of the Month for July.:thumbsup:

[BostonRedSox58]

So, in other words, 13 times, the Red Sox have had an opportunity to lose a game, 13 times, Ortiz refused to let that happen.


*Stop reading here NYY fans*

If those mothereffing NY writers refuse to vote Ortiz MYP again they should be shot. Seriously. Ortiz shoulda won last year, AFRAUD did. Since then, Ortiz has stepped it up another level, AFRAUD dropped a level.

In the last 162 calendar games, Ortiz has 60 HR's and 169 RBI's. No one else is on that planet. Not even close. Not even Pujols.

Yup, A-Rod cannot possibly win it this year, and Thome is way behind Ortiz.

Ortiz has to win it.

[Yankeesfan27]

Ortiz should have won it last year my ass. Get over it already.

This year he probably should win it, yes. But theres still two months of baseball left. ;)

[PissedPrincess]

Ortiz should have won it last year my ass. Get over it already.

This year he probably should win it, yes. But theres still two months of baseball left. ;)


Listen, I am not going to tell you again. If you talk to ME, or anyone else in this forum like that again, I'm going to ban you from this forum. I know you are young, but this is not acceptable.

Do you get talking to someone like that would upset them? STOP DOING IT.

Thanx, I'd prefer not having to strangle you. :D

[Yankeesfan27]

You kidding me? I didn't even insult anybody. So, no I wouldn't think it would upset anyone. Sorry that it upsetted you. I didn't mean it too. If I really want to upset somebody I would but I don't. Listen I like the people here. You guys are the only online Sox fans I have respect for except one other. So I feel like I can actually talk baseball with you guys.

I'm just getting really defensive of A-Rod lately because of the horse shit he's going threw.

So once again, my apologies.

[PissedPrincess]

No prob. If my husband tells me to get over something, he sleeps on the couch. If you said, eff you PP AROD deserved the MVP, no problem. Chicks don't like to be told to get over it. :D

Carry on.:)

[Yankeesfan27]

Well, shit theres a life lesson I could have been told alittle sooner! :gripe:

[BostonRedSox58]

Simply put, A-Rod won't win it this year. He won't catch up to Ortiz in homers or RBI's, and his defense has been awful.

Papi deserved it last year because he carried the team, therefore he was quite literally the most valuable player.

However, not playing a position screwed him over, which is moronic.

[Yankeesfan27]

Simply put, A-Rod won't win it this year. He won't catch up to Ortiz in homers or RBI's, and his defense has been awful.

Papi deserved it last year because he carried the team, therefore he was quite literally the most valuable player.

However, not playing a position screwed him over, which is moronic.


Did you just contradict yourself? Yes, I believe you did.

Also, thanks for telling me something I already knew. ;)

[BostonRedSox58]

Did you just contradict yourself? Yes, I believe you did.

Also, thanks for telling me something I already knew. ;)

Huh? I said A-Rod's defense has been bad, and the fact that Ortiz doesn't play a position cost him as MVP.

How is that contradicting myself? Those are two seperate statements.

This is now 3 baseball sites I've been to, where Yankee fans try to attack me for no reason.

[I Are Baboon]

A-Rod would probably finish 4th or 5th in MVP voting.....


for his team.

[Yankeesfan27]

Huh? I said A-Rod's defense has been bad, and the fact that Ortiz doesn't play a position cost him as MVP.

How is that contradicting myself? Those are two seperate statements.

This is now 3 baseball sites I've been to, where Yankee fans try to attack me for no reason.

:laff: I am not attacking you dude. :laff:

You said A-Rod was playing terrible defense as part of your arguement then said Ortiz not winning the MVP partly because of the fact that he dpesn't play defense was moronic.

[PissedPrincess]

http://www.floridatoday.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20060803/COLUMNISTS0306/608030337/1065/SPORTS

[Blue56]

David Ortiz:

Runs: 82
Home Runs: 39
RBI'S: 107

[Thedatch]

21 of those homers have either tied of given the sox the lead.

[Blue56]

21 of those homers have either tied of given the sox the lead.
He's not called "mr. clutch" for nothing lol