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Thedatch
08-08-2006, 11:24 AM
by Murray Chass, douchebag reporter.

THE Boston Red Sox are a poor excuse for a good baseball team. For the second year in a row, they have squandered an advantage they had over the Yankees, this year even more grievously than last. Like last year, they will very likely pay for their profligacy.

For the first four days in July, the Red Sox led the Yankees by four games in the American League East. Today, the Yankees lead the Red Sox by two games.

•A 12-game winning streak gave the Red Sox their four-game lead. Since that streak ended, the Red Sox have won half of their games — 17 of 34 — while the Yankees have won 22 of 32.

Plenty of time left in the season, plenty of games remaining on the schedule, including nine with each other? Certainly. But by now, the Red Sox should have had a commanding lead over the Yankees. But they don’t have that lead, even though the Yankees have played much of the season without a third of their starting lineup.

Hideki Matsui hasn’t played since May 11, Gary Sheffield last played May 29 and Robinson Canó has been out of the lineup since June 25. They have missed a combined 170 games, or 17.5 percent of the games the nine-man starting lineup has played.

Some may say Alex Rodriguez has been missing, too. On top of the absences of Matsui, Sheffield and Canó, Rodriguez is having a lackluster season, making three errors in one game and striking out three and four times in others. The youngest player to hit 450 home runs, Rodriguez has hit only one home run in his past 14 games and three in his last 29.

Randy Johnson, the Yankees’ putative No. 1 starting pitcher, has been erratic at best, allowing five runs or more in more than a third of his starts and struggling through the season with a 5.11 earned run average, placing him 83rd among 112 pitchers with 15 starts or more.

Bruised and bloodied, the Yankees have been winning with players named Melky and Bubba. With only a third of the season to go, they have won more than the Red Sox, who until catcher Jason Varitek had knee surgery last week, had not dealt with the extended absence of an everyday player.

This season’s developments should come as no surprise to the Fenway faithful. They saw it most recently only last season, when the Red Sox were six and a half games ahead of the Yankees barely a month into the season. Less than three weeks later, they had tumbled behind the Yankees.

Considering that the Yankees played dreadfully in their first 30 games (11-19), it was noted here at that time that “the Red Sox should have taken off and left the Yankees in the dust.”

“Take that six-and-a-half-game advantage over their nemesis and build it to such a level that the Yankees would be recalling the days of Horace Clarke and Jerry Kenney.”

Furthermore, I wrote, the Red Sox might have to win the division championship to get to the playoffs because their coveted wild-card spot might not be available to them. They were in danger of losing out to the second-place team from the A.L. Central.

The Fenway faithful responded in outrage, acting as if the wild card was their birthright, and anyway, what did it matter if the Red Sox finished first or won the wild card? The playoffs were the playoffs. A team only had to get there to have a chance to win. They were the wild card in 2004, weren’t they, when they won the World Series?

The Red Sox, despite building another lead (five and a half games by Aug. 10), did not win the division title last season. They finished with the same record as the Yankees, but they were placed second because they Yankees won the season series between the teams.

The Red Sox won the wild card because the Cleveland Indians, with whom they were tied going into the final weekend series, lost their final three games to the White Sox.

But now here Boston goes again, failing to establish a commanding division lead and very possibly needing to win the division title to gain entry to October for the fourth consecutive year.

I repeat the cautionary advice I offered the Red Sox last year: If they want to be assured of a postseason spot, they would be wise to finish ahead of the Yankees in the A.L. East. This year, more than last, the wild card could elude the second-place team.

•This year, a three-team race has developed for the wild card, and two of the teams play in the Central. The Detroit Tigers show no letup in their relentless foray through the division, but the White Sox and the Minnesota Twins are formidable competitors for the fourth spot in the A.L. half of the playoffs. The Red Sox cannot dismiss either, no matter what their rabid supporters might think.

The White Sox and the Twins have nine games left with each other and three each with the Red Sox and the Yankees. The nine games remaining between the Red Sox and the Yankees include five games in four days in a long weekend in Boston next week. The intensity of that series could leave one or both teams in desperate straits.

The Red Sox, though, have to hope that the sight of the Yankees will act as smelling salts and snap them out of their annual stupor.

yeah, it's a long article, so I don't blame you for not reading it...the gist of it is, the sox should be ashamed of not taking a bigger lead over the yankees in one of their "worst" seasons ever. He speaks some truths in the article, but what I really wanted to talk about was the wild card. The dude talks about how red sox fans take the wild card for granted because we've won it the past few years, and how we can't count on it as a backup anymore, with the white sox, twins, etc. all fighting for it.

So...do we take the wild card for granted? I don't think we do.

Eva
08-08-2006, 02:26 PM
It's funny he gave no credit to Yankees for playing such good baseball while their Sheffield and Matsui were out. It's more about the Red Sox failing to keep the lead rather than the Yankees playing great baseball despite all the injuries.

Since I have time, I can pick at the article.

A-Rod's lackluster season? By A-Rod's standards, sure, but if you look at A-Rod's offensive numbers, they're still among the best in MLB 3B. Of course, not many people notice that and continue to focus on all the errors he made in 1 game, which is just 1 game out of 162 games.

Players like Bubba? He's gone. They been winning with good pitching, hitting and solid bullpen. Wang and Mussina archor the rotation. Let's not forget how solid their bullpen been most of the season. Compare their rotation and bullpen to Red Sox rotation and bullpen. It's understandable why they're head of the Sox since our bullpen been nothing short, but awful in recent weeks and starting pitching not been all that great either.

I wonder if he has any idea how good the White Sox, Twins and Yankee roster.

Anyway, WC issue been discussed. Red Sox winning the WC? Well, Twins have Liriano and Santana combination along with the offense, finally, at least to back up their pitching with Mauer and Morneau. White Sox offense is still beastly. Their pitching should get it back together. Yankees have Wang and Mussina pitching a great 1 and 2 combination along with a good offense.

Sox are the worst of the three? At the moment, they have the weakest pitching staff of all four teams going for the playoff spot. Our bullpen need to get it together and Beckett and Schilling need to start pitching like aces we need them to be.

Thedatch
08-08-2006, 03:02 PM
It's funny he gave no credit to Yankees for playing such good baseball while their Sheffield and Matsui were out. It's more about the Red Sox failing to keep the lead rather than the Yankees playing great baseball despite all the injuries.

Since I have time, I can pick at the article.

A-Rod's lackluster season? By A-Rod's standards, sure, but if you look at A-Rod's offensive numbers, they're still among the best in MLB 3B. Of course, not many people notice that and continue to focus on all the errors he made in 1 game, which is just 1 game out of 162 games.

Players like Bubba? He's gone. They been winning with good pitching, hitting and solid bullpen. Wang and Mussina archor the rotation. Let's not forget how solid their bullpen been most of the season. Compare their rotation and bullpen to Red Sox rotation and bullpen. It's understandable why they're head of the Sox since our bullpen been nothing short, but awful in recent weeks and starting pitching not been all that great either.

I wonder if he has any idea how good the White Sox, Twins and Yankee roster.

Anyway, WC issue been discussed. Red Sox winning the WC? Well, Twins have Liriano and Santana combination along with the offense, finally, at least to back up their pitching with Mauer and Morneau. White Sox offense is still beastly. Their pitching should get it back together. Yankees have Wang and Mussina pitching a great 1 and 2 combination along with a good offense.

Sox are the worst of the three? At the moment, they have the weakest pitching staff of all four teams going for the playoff spot. Our bullpen need to get it together and Beckett and Schilling need to start pitching like aces we need them to be.


I couldn't agree more :thumbsup:

the yankees have won like 17 out of their last 22...that's pretty good baseball last time I checked. this guy is talking about how much the yanks have sucked this year, but frankly, they really haven't.

Liriano just went on the DL for the twins, so depending on what happens with him, the twins definately suffered a blow, although for them, hopefully only for one or two starts (elbow soreness or something like that.)

I still think the sox have a good chance at winning the wild card,considering we're tied for it right now. The White sox have sucked majorly recently, and they need to pick it up to stay in the race. Buehrle's ERA, since...I can't remember what the date was, is the worst in the AL right now.

Blue56
08-08-2006, 06:09 PM
I think it was said in the trade dealine thread, we needed pitching (relievers and starters) and so far Epstein has failed to do so, What can Francona do with a below avg pitching staff if you take Schilling and Papelbon out, who aren't every day pitchers. Theo needed to add bulpen help and atleast, atleast! one starter and did he? no, but then again there's still the waiver-deal, but what's the chance of Bosotn getting a solid pitcher without the likes of Tampa Bay or any other team competing in the AL blocking it?

Eva
08-08-2006, 07:43 PM
I think it was said in the trade dealine thread, we needed pitching (relievers and starters) and so far Epstein has failed to do so, What can Francona do with a below avg pitching staff if you take Schilling and Papelbon out, who aren't every day pitchers. Theo needed to add bulpen help and atleast, atleast! one starter and did he? no, but then again there's still the waiver-deal, but what's the chance of Bosotn getting a solid pitcher without the likes of Tampa Bay or any other team competing in the AL blocking it?
I'm not sure why everyone think he failed to get pitching. Look what was out there during the deadline? Nothing was out there. Corey Lidle was consider the best pitcher that was going to be move should be enough of example how awful the trade market was this year.

Everyone complain about this, but seem to forget the fact that was no good pitchers on the market this year. Like to give up Lester for Jon Lieber? Those were the type of deals on the market when the Red Sox talked to teams with C level pitchers like Livan and Lieber.

PissedPrincess
08-09-2006, 11:37 AM
Murray Chass is an ass, but where is he wrong? The Red Sox are not a good team. Haven't been since Interleague play. Take away the National League, and we are a .500 team.

This pitching staff is god awful.

Thedatch
08-09-2006, 11:40 AM
Murray Chass is an ass, but where is he wrong? The Red Sox are not a good team. Haven't been since Interleague play. Take away the National League, and we are a .500 team.

This pitching staff is god awful.

the whole reason I posted this was because I didn't like how he made the wild card seem like "our wild card", like it's been available to us for the past few years without a fight. But that's not true..we've had to fight for the wild card every year...

if it weren't for a few players, this team would be so much farther behind. The sox as a team just aren't very good this year, even with our amazing defense. And like Eva said...it's not like the yankees have been sucking recently...they've won a lot of games.

Eva
08-09-2006, 12:53 PM
From what I've been told, Murray Chass is a Yankee fan.

Sox pitching staff looked good at times, but when you get down to it, it's not a good pitching staff, especially the bullpen. PissedPrincess sum it up in one sentence.

"This pitching staff is god awful."

Despite the complaining, nothing come have been done for the pitching staff during the deadline. We're not much better if we had Jon Lieber or another RP like Seanez and Tavarez.

Kojiri
08-09-2006, 05:45 PM
It doesn't help to drop games to the Royals. That was the Twins problem earlier in the season...they lost to the teams they should easily beat. The BoSox find themselves 1 game out in the Wild Card behind the Twins and the ChiSox going into play today against KC.

Thedatch
08-09-2006, 05:50 PM
It doesn't help to drop games to the Royals. That was the Twins problem earlier in the season...they lost to the teams they should easily beat. The BoSox find themselves 1 game out in the Wild Card behind the Twins and the ChiSox going into play today against KC.

I thought we were tied for first up a 1/2 a game to the twins yesterday? so we'd be 1/2 game back? not like it matters much...

Kojiri
08-09-2006, 05:52 PM
I thought we were tied for first up a 1/2 a game to the twins yesterday? so we'd be 1/2 game back? not like it matters much...

Well, yes, you are 1/2 game behind the Twins and a full game behind the ChiSox...I didn't mean you were 1 game behind both, I merely said you were trailing both. I failed to elabourate on it. Moral of the story is, you need to kick KC's ass tonight.

Thedatch
08-09-2006, 05:55 PM
Well, yes, you are 1/2 game behind the Twins and a full game behind the ChiSox...I didn't mean you were 1 game behind both, I merely said you were trailing both. I failed to elabourate on it. Moral of the story is, you need to kick KC's ass tonight.

lol! yeah, kicking KC's ass today is definately a must.

Blue56
08-09-2006, 07:51 PM
If we don't get pitching help, we will not make the playoff's, mark my words.

Thedatch
08-09-2006, 08:11 PM
If we don't get pitching help, we will not make the playoff's, mark my words.

that may or may not be true. but either way, as Eva has been saying for a while now...there was nothing out there. and maybe winning this season isn't as important as keeping our young talent, which we would certainly have to trade away to get any pitching that will help.

BostonRedSox58
08-09-2006, 08:11 PM
The season is over to me, and it's okay.

I was ready for a rebuilding season full of rookies, and with all the rookie pitchers, it almost happened.

Oh well, theres always next year.

Oh and Princess, if interleague play didn't happen, the Twins/Yankees, just about everyone would be down 16 or so wins, so keep that in mind.

Blue56
08-09-2006, 08:52 PM
It's still not over, but the way it's going having bulpen pitchers, who aren't trhowing good at all (Tavarez, HAnsen, etc) in close games where anything is possible, wins will not come atleast not the easy.

Blue56
08-09-2006, 08:54 PM
Then again, we have the Bruins to cheer this year LOL

BostonRedSox58
08-09-2006, 11:17 PM
Then again, we have the Bruins to cheer this year LOL

GO THORNTON!

...............oh wait

Blue56
08-10-2006, 12:10 AM
GO THORNTON!

...............oh wait
:angry:

Now it's Bergeron.

BostonRedSox58
08-10-2006, 01:10 AM
Papelbon just blew ANOTHER save, against the Royals, then lost the game by allowing a double and the winning run to score.

This team is sinking so fast.....

Kojiri
08-10-2006, 02:12 AM
Papelbon just blew ANOTHER save, against the Royals, then lost the game by allowing a double and the winning run to score.

This team is sinking so fast.....

Blown saves kill.

BostonRedSox58
08-10-2006, 02:54 AM
Blown saves kill.

KREATOR!

Kojiri
08-10-2006, 11:15 AM
KREATOR!

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