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Nanner
11-06-2006, 10:12 AM
....... it seems like ages since I, your O's Moderator, have posted anything about the Orioles. That's bad of me. I'm bad......bad moderator....bad,bad,bad. But there's ABSOLUTELY NOTHING GOING ON!!! (Except for the signing of Juan Samuel, thank you very much for posting that, Gary.) Oh. And they signed a new groundskeeper. It's a woman. Over at the Baltimore Sun, on Roch Kubatko's blog, various posters are making lame comments about planting flowers. Puhleese.....:hmm: I thought people were past stuff like that, but I guess not.

So, in the interest of keeping some action in the Orioles Forum, here's an article by John Eisenberg, at the Sun. Good one, too. :thumbsup:

Cards, Tigers blazed trail, but O’s still in wilderness
John Eisenberg
Originally published Nov 6, 2006


Let's see, the St. Louis Cardinals won just 83 regular-season games before storming through the playoffs and capturing the World Series, and the Orioles managed 70 wins while finishing fourth in the American League East.

So the Orioles actually aren't that far away, right? According to that math, if they just improve enough this winter to generate 13 more wins in 2007, they could end up in the Fall Classic, right?

Sure, and sprinkling fairy dust on their bats will add 20 points to their batting averages.

There might be a few more reasons to be somewhat optimistic, or at least less pessimistic, about the Orioles after nine straight losing seasons. They have young starting pitchers Erik Bedard , Adam Loewen and Daniel Cabrera , the foundation of a potentially formidable rotation. They have 24-year-old closer Chris Ray . They have Nick Markakis , a sweet-swinging homegrown outfielder.

But please, let's not play fantasy baseball.

The out-of-nowhere runs of the Cardinals and the Detroit Tigers, who endured 12 straight losing seasons (the last with 71 wins in 2005) before winning the American League pennant in 2006, have encouraged long-standing losers everywhere, including Baltimore. The rallying cry: Why not us?

But those 2006 successes were, indeed, fantasies, rarer than a pinch-hit inside-the-park home run. This is the reality: Although we know better than ever now that anything is possible, the Orioles still have a long way to go before they can challenge anyone for anything.

They're coming off a second straight season in which they lost more games than the year before. They need a veteran starting pitcher, a first baseman, a left fielder and a whole new bullpen other than Ray.

The fact that an 83-win team won the Series is interesting, but it has nothing to do with the Orioles' condition. Besides, the Cardinals won 105 and 100 games in 2004 and 2005 while the Orioles were winning, um, 78 and 74. This year's records notwithstanding, the teams are in different orbits.

And while the Orioles and Tigers share a dependence on young pitching, the similarities end there. There are far more differences between the clubs.

The Orioles, to be kind, are still a work in progress, far from the point where they just need to add the finishing touches via free agency, as the Tigers did, or get hot at the right time, as the Cardinals did.

At least the current front office, headed by Mike Flanagan and Jim Duquette, is ushering the team in the right general direction by hitching the future to young pitchers. True, the organization doesn't have a lot else going for it, so there really was no alternative. But planting young arms and letting them grow is the best way to turn around a loser. The Orioles should have done it a long time ago.

The problem with doing it now, of course, is it's a long-term strategy rather than a quick fix, and the public is out of patience. Orioles fans don't want to hear about what could happen in a few years. They want to win now, and after what they've put up with, you can't blame them.

That impatience puts pressure on the front office, which isn't a bad thing. The organization, starting at the top, with owner Peter Angelos, should feel compelled to make things better. Not every losing team does.

But while there has been talk of major expenditures this winter and a payroll surging past $100 million (up from $72 million on Opening Day 2006) now that the Mid-Atlantic Sports Network is up and running, don't expect anything that seismic. Angelos has been mostly reluctant to pay for top-tier free agents, especially pitchers, and marquee players are loathe to play for a team that has lost for so long.

The Orioles might be able to improve in the coming months, but instead of adding the splashy name to bat cleanup and play first base or left field, they'll probably settle for a handful of no-name bullpen patches.

You can overpay for those, as the Orioles surely will need to do, and still only spend $3 million per year. That's the kind of imprudent move Angelos might be willing to make, as opposed to giving $80 million to Alfonso Soriano or shelling out $70 million for a Japanese pitching ace.

The importance of upgrading the bullpen is obvious after a season in which the Orioles blew a slew of leads. They've swung and missed on several veteran relievers recently. Maybe they'll get it right this time.

But no matter what else happens, the team eventually will rise or fall on the arms of those young pitchers. The Orioles have headed down a road, and it's a slow, bumpy road, not a highway to immediate glory.

Dreaming about a long-shot run to October is fine, but how about a .500 season first?

Copyright © 2006, The Baltimore Sun

Eva
11-06-2006, 01:01 PM
Nothing much to report, Nanner. This time tend to be the dead period for teams unless they're hiring new managers and other junk. Just a couple of more days until FA can start signing with new clubs, but even then this year crop isn't that impressive.

I still believe the O's should revive that deal, if it even existed, with the Angels for Santana and Aybar for Tejada. Lol, Tejada's offense nice and all, but you can make due without him, especially when you get a young pitching stud like Santana.

Nanner
11-06-2006, 01:04 PM
Hiya, E! :wave1:

I totally would go with losing Tejada for pitching. Absolutely. I'm not that in love with him.

Luvofthegame
11-07-2006, 01:16 AM
I understand why everybody wants to point at the 83 wins and say that kind of crap I guess, but let's not forget the Cardinals were picked as the favorites to go to the world series at the offset of last year.....before injuries came over like a plague and wiped out the Cardinals. For the most part they got healthy and put it together when it counted (obviously). I Know it was magical, but I also think sentiment (at least East and West) is that a crappy team got lucky and won the world series....and that's just a load of crap!

Nanner
11-07-2006, 08:58 AM
But he's not saying that. In fact, in the middle of the article he says this:

Besides, the Cardinals won 105 and 100 games in 2004 and 2005 while the Orioles were winning, um, 78 and 74. This year's records notwithstanding, the teams are in different orbits.

In fact, he's agreeing with you, saying it had nothing to do with 83 wins, but how the Cards team was built......how the Orioles are travelling in a different orbit and O's fans should not expect miracles.

PopTop
11-07-2006, 11:11 AM
Sure, and sprinkling fairy dust on their bats will add 20 points to their batting averages.You mean it won't? Damn! There goes my plan for beefing up the sticks belonging to Ausmus, Everett and Ensberg :D



I Know it was magical, but I also think sentiment (at least East and West) is that a crappy team got lucky and won the world series....and that's just a load of crap!The only people who believe that a 'crappy team' ever wins the World Series are the ignorant, Luv. The best team won; it always does.

PissedPrincess
11-07-2006, 12:10 PM
I hear ya. I'm reaching to try and post some goddamn thing. Very slow start to the off-season.

Luvofthegame
11-07-2006, 02:39 PM
Sorry guys, I obviously jumped the gun....I guess I have just become a little bit jaded by some of the sentiment about the 2006 Cardinals. It's get's really old to hear...it's like they (the press) want to de-ligitimise what they accomplished this year....it really get's old!