Tracy Names Starting Rotation

[Greymire]

Check it out http://pittsburgh.pirates.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20070325&content_id=1858664&vkey=spt2007news&fext=.jsp&c_id=pit

[yagsy]

I still think this young group of starters need a veteran to be truly great. They show so much promise but like the D Rays, they need some guidance on how to pitch as opposed to how to throw. There's so much talent in Gorz and Duke and Snell. Gosh, I am really looking forward to watching this bunch pitch in general. They can play with the "big boys" but they just need some veteran guidance and I see this staff blowing the minds of all the "experts".

This team will be fun to watch in the next few years.

[imgreat95]

Veteran "guidance" is the most over rated thing in all of sports.

[PissedPrincess]

Veteran "guidance" is the most over rated thing in all of sports.

I disagree.:wave1:

[imgreat95]

I have seen very young teams which appeared ready to win and they brought in a veteran, and that veteran did absolutely nothing to make a difference. I have seen young teams win without a veteran. Veterans dont teach guys with talent how to win. In 2003 the Marlins won the WS, and their most tenured pitcher had been in the league for 7 seasons. The BUcs this year, their longest tenured starter has been in the league for 7 seasons. We have a guy in the pen who made his Major league debut in 1993. These guys are not going to help this team win without scoring runs.

[redsfan]

I have seen very young teams which appeared ready to win and they brought in a veteran, and that veteran did absolutely nothing to make a difference. I have seen young teams win without a veteran. Veterans dont teach guys with talent how to win. In 2003 the Marlins won the WS, and their most tenured pitcher had been in the league for 7 seasons. The BUcs this year, their longest tenured starter has been in the league for 7 seasons. We have a guy in the pen who made his Major league debut in 1993. These guys are not going to help this team win without scoring runs.

Look at what Kenny Rogers did in Detroit. If you think he did not help out the younger guys and the Rookies, you must not pay too much attention. They have even given credit to him for pulling them together. If a young team with a vet did nothing, then they probably had the wrong guy.

[imgreat95]

I dont buy into that theory. Rogers helped the Tigers by going 17-8. Not by being a veteran. The 2 other pitchers who had the biggest seasons for the Tigers, did not really improve their peripheral numbers all that much over the season before, But I believe took advantage of scoring almost a full run per game more than in the previous season. How about the 2002 A's??? They won 103 games. Where was their "veteran guidance?" To each his own, but I just dont buy it.

[hulr3r]

so far in the young season the only starter with a bad start was that "veteran
" in Tony Armas i disagree with people saying a vet is needed

[Greymire]

Remembering when I was in my early 20's, where I think a veteran helps (pitcher or otherwise) is with advice on how to handle ups and downs more than actual pitching. That said, I think a positive attitude and maturity mean more than anything. And that can come at different ages in different people. Just an example, Jeff Kent is not going to be a positive influence, or veteran help, to anyone. Like Shawn said, he will help by production, but I doubt he is much help to the team otherwise.