Most dominant center of the 90's

[bd811]

OK...who does everyone think was the most dominant center of the 90's. I dont think I forgot anyone, but if i did, sorry.

[bd811]

I think it's Hakeem. Robinson and Ewing are right there, though. Shaq is of course the most dominant today, but i dont think he became dominant untill the later 90's.

[milky_way]

it's a toss-up between Ewing and Olajuwan, but I'd vote for Hakeem too. Hakeem won two titles, Ewing didn't.

[lal4l]

I AM SORRY SHAQ fo sho no hakeem o man! Shaq is the most dominant of all time

[milky_way]

Originally posted by lal4l
I AM SORRY SHAQ fo sho no hakeem o man!
English translation please?

[lal4l]

SHAQ IS thousand times more dominant then Hakeem!

[lal4l]

for real

[bd811]

in the 90's lal? im not saying all-time. that isnt the question. the only reason i even put shaq on there was so there were no complaints, but in the 90's he was owned by some players(i.e. Dennis Rodman owned him when he was with the Magic.)

of course shaq is the most dominant player in the game today, but in the 90's he lost to Hakeem and Ewing in the playoffs.

[MarylandMan]

:uhoh: Dude! How could you forget Gheorge Muresan?!??

:biggrin: :P :biggrin: j/k!

[lal4l]

Originally posted by MarylandMan
:uhoh: Dude! How could you forget Gheorge Muresan?!??

:biggrin: :P :biggrin: j/k!

lol

[GiveHyzduashot]

No Chris Dudley or Shawn Bradley? I refuse to vote.

[bd811]

Originally posted by MarylandMan
:uhoh: Dude! How could you forget Gheorge Muresan?!??

:biggrin: :P :biggrin: j/k!

Originally posted by GiveHyzduashot
No Chris Dudley or Shawn Bradley? I refuse to vote.

:hahaha: sorry guys

[imgreat95]

if you are measuring by championships won, then Bill Cartwright was the most dominant center of the 90s. I think that is a ridiculous way of measuring who was the most dominant. If a team could win championships with only a dominant center, then why did the Knicks never win one?? Or the Spurs until Tim Duncan came along??

That being said, the most dominant center of the 90s was easily Shaq. No other center had the ability to completely control a game, wether it be by scoring points, playing defense, or drawing fouls. That, is what domination is.

As for saying that Rodman "owned" shaq... are you basing that on the 5.2 PPG that Rodman averaged?? Yeah, Rodman usually won the battle of the boards, but in case no one noticed, Rodman did that against EVERYONE.

[bd811]

when did i measure by championships? All i said was that Hakeem and Ewing beat him in the playoffs...THEY DID! And Rodman owned Shaq defensively in the playoffs. I remember it. Thats the only reason we won. Shaq couldnt handle Rodman. the most dominant centers dont let players handle them like that.

[imgreat95]

did i say that it was you who said it??? I don't believe that I did.

[bd811]

sorry, i didnt notice that milky way said it.

[fenwayfaithful]

I also think it is Shaq. He has been in the league since '92, when he came in with Orlando, and he dominated even back then. It's not like he just came out of nowhere when he signed with the Lakers in '96; he has been the most dominating big man since he entered the league.

[milky_way]

Originally posted by imgreat95
if you are measuring by championships won, then Bill Cartwright was the most dominant center of the 90s. I think that is a ridiculous way of measuring who was the most dominant. If a team could win championships with only a dominant center, then why did the Knicks never win one?? Or the Spurs until Tim Duncan came along??
i didn't measure the most dominant center by championships, i just said that between Ewing and Hakeem, I'd give Hakeem the nod because he won the championship between them. in their primes they were both pretty even in terms of stats, but Hakeem was able to beat Ewing in the Finals, and that's why I'd give him the nod.

[imgreat95]

i am pretty sure that if I looked up NBA Finals history, I would find that Patrick Ewing never played Hakeem Olajuwan for a championship.

[milky_way]

Originally posted by imgreat95
i am pretty sure that if I looked up NBA Finals history, I would find that Patrick Ewing never played Hakeem Olajuwan for a championship.
1994: Knicks beat out the Pacers in 7 games to meet the Houston Rockets in the NBA Finals. The Finals go 7 games, where Houston wins the deciding game at Houston. look it up. i'm positive they played. the following year Houston swept Shaq and the Magic in the Finals.

[imgreat95]

I believe that what you just said was that the TEAM the Knicks played against the TEAM the Rockets in 1994. That means that the TEAM the Rockets beat the TEAM the Knicks...

Not that Olajuwan beat Ewing.

[milky_way]

Originally posted by imgreat95
I believe that what you just said was that the TEAM the Knicks played against the TEAM the Rockets in 1994. That means that the TEAM the Rockets beat the TEAM the Knicks...

Not that Olajuwan beat Ewing.
well how else are you gonna decide between Ewing and Hakeem??? they're even in every other way, the only thing is Hakeem led his team to more championships than Ewing! One of which was against Ewing. But if you refuse to let championships decide who's better, Hakeem also was getting 28 ppg, 12.5 rpg, 3.5 apg, 1.8 spg, and 3.5 bpg during that championship run (1994 season-1995 season). Ewing never averaged such all-around great numbers. Ewing had the points and the rebounds, but he didn't bring the kind of assist and steal numbers Hakeem brought, especially during the championship run.

[imgreat95]

See there, NOW you are getting somewhere. Those numbers would be what seperates them. Not the fact that Ewing didn't win a champoionship when Hakeem did. Since basketball is a team game, you can't base it on that.

That being said, I wasn't saying wether Hakeem was better than Ewing, or vice versa. I was saying that Shaq was more dominant than all of them.

[milky_way]

Originally posted by imgreat95
That being said, I wasn't saying wether Hakeem was better than Ewing, or vice versa. I was saying that Shaq was more dominant than all of them.
now Shaq's dominant but i dunno if he was the most dominant center of the 90's. i always thought he became the player he is in the late 90s-early 00s.

[lal4l]

WAIT I am sort of WRONG SHAQ IS MOST DOMINANT OF THIS MILLENIUM!

[bd811]

this millenium? YES. WHY? cuz this millenium is only the last 2 years. But not last millenium for sure

[imgreat95]

Originally posted by milky_way

now Shaq's dominant but i dunno if he was the most dominant center of the 90's. i always thought he became the player he is in the late 90s-early 00s.

Shaq came into the league in 1992. He won the ROY award, and has been an all-star each season since entering the league. Also, he is the #3 all-time ppg leader behind only Jordan and Wilt Chamberlain. Copmpare that to David Robinson (12) Hakeem Olajuwan (17) and Patrick Ewing (19) all at 4 points less per game than Shaq. Those are tough numbers to compile if you really don't become dominant until the 2nd half of your career.

[milky_way]

Originally posted by imgreat95

Shaq came into the league in 1992. He won the ROY award, and has been an all-star each season since entering the league. Also, he is the #3 all-time ppg leader behind only Jordan and Wilt Chamberlain. Copmpare that to David Robinson (12) Hakeem Olajuwan (17) and Patrick Ewing (19) all at 4 points less per game than Shaq. Those are tough numbers to compile if you really don't become dominant until the 2nd half of your career.
you can't use the career ppg to compare Robinson, Ewing, Hakeem, and Shaq. Robinson, Ewing and Hakeem have been washed up the last couple years, so they're ppg would naturally go down. If they retired at the end of the 90s when they were at thier peak like Jordan did, their ppg would probably be much higher. i noticed thier stats all began to drop around 98. If Shaq's stats in the 90s were as dominant as Hakeem's and Ewing's were at their prime, then he'd be the most dominant center. but i'm too lazy to look that up :)

[lal4l]

SHAQ is the most dominant center OF ALL TIME nom ? about it!

[bd811]

lal that was honestly one of the most ignorant posts ever!! not because I am not a lakers fan, not because I dont like shaq, its because it is sooooooooooo far from the truth it is hilarious.

he is NOT more dominant than Wilt.

he is NOT more dominant then Kareem.

he is NOT more dominant than Robertson.

he is NOT more dominant than Russel.

if you really believe that is true you are one of the most biased, closed minded basketball fans i have EVER talked to.

[milky_way]

Originally posted by bd811

he is NOT more dominant than Robertson.

i dunno about this one :ummm:. the Big O was one of the greatest players ever, but i think Shaq's more dominant. maybe that's because i've only seen clips of Robertson play....

Shaq's one of the most dominating players ever, and he may be the most dominating center of the 90's, but i agree with bd811 that Wilt, Kareem, and Russell (in a different way) were more dominating than him in their careers. Yes they played in an era that was "easier" than today's, but they were completely dominant. especially Wilt :uhoh:

[bd811]

well id say someone who averaged a triple-double(& 38 ppg) in a season is pretty damn dominant! wouldnt you think so?

[milky_way]

Originally posted by bd811
well id say someone who averaged a triple-double(& 38 ppg) in a season is pretty damn dominant! wouldnt you think so?
is Jason Kidd dominant? of course Robertson was better than Kidd, but their game is similar...i think...

Robertson may be dominant for a guard (oy, here we go again...), but no has ever stopped Shaq. but i never saw Robertson play in a game, so i don't really know him.

[milky_way]

Originally posted by bd811
well id say someone who averaged a triple-double(& 38 ppg)

he averaged 38 ppg??? :uhoh: :yikes:

[bd811]

well in that season, yeah. I dont know where I can find stats about him though, besides from that season.

[milky_way]

Originally posted by bd811
I dont know where I can find stats about him
lol, good luck with that. i've looked everywhere to find Kareem's. i'm still searching.

[bd811]

lol nope i already looked and i already gave up.

basketball should have a site like baseballrefernce.com(only basketball stuff instead:) )

[milky_way]

Originally posted by bd811
lol nope i already looked and i already gave up.

basketball should have a site like baseballrefernce.com(only basketball stuff instead:) )
you know what's really dumb? if you go to statistics at nba.com and you look up some All-Time leader, Kareem Abdul Jabaar may be underlined where if you click it, it's supposed to lead to his stat page...but nba.com doesn't have his stat page, so it says something about a "non-existent page" or "no longer on records"...why do they have a link to a page that doesn't exist??? it continues to baffle me :confused:

[bd811]

I have no clue. I never realized that...:hmm:

[lal4l]

We are talking BOUT CENTER the Big O was one of the most best players he was a person who took over the game you see SHAQ is diff he dominates down low! He is also dominant in the defensive end but the big O had a lil bit on dominance all around the court Shaq has his areas

[bd811]

Dont get me wrong, Shaq is dominant, and when it is all said and done he will go down as one of the most dominant centers ever. As of today, he is not more dominant than the guys i mentioned. Like you said, he has his areas, but these guys are clearly better as of now.