Lakers easily could bet Jordans Bulls!

[lal4l]

The Los Angelos Lakers no ? now that I really compared to Jordans Bulls ok now!

Who will guard Shaq Luc Longley?????

Jordan great player but kobes defense will put him down also Kobe will have to show him a thing or too! This is in his prime!

Now Horry awesome who would get him Rodman? I do not know They are both EXCELLENT REBOUNDERS Rodman not being much of an offensive player will not have to do anything but it would be a fight under the boards!

Also Pippen Great player Fox a great defensive player but will have trouble with him? that is where they might have a weeeeee advantage!

Then I do not know who played PG was it KERR? If it was Fisher easily

:evillol: :evillol: :evillol:

Please guys this is my opinion reply and orderly fashion I am sure this will bring MUCH DESPUTE please give me reasons I GAVE U MINE!

Happy postin:biggrin:

[PissedPrincess]

I'll have to give this some thought. I'm too tired to think rationally. :biggrin:

[Special_K19]

Quite simply, Jordan is the best ever. Kobe would not have been able to stop Jordan of 5 years ago, he would have dominated the game offensively. The Bulls would have let Shaq play his normal game, drop in 30 points, grab 12 boards and foul out. Then, it would be the Mike show until the Bulls won.

[lal4l]

Kobe would be equal to Jordan now that is no problem Kobe is also a GREAT defensive player and I know Jordan would also have trouble guarding KOBE!

[milky_way]

hmm...interesting question. a Phil Jackson vs. Phil Jackson matchup!
Originally posted by lal4l
Who will guard Shaq Luc Longley?????
Or Bill Cartwright (spelling?). depends which Bulls era we're talking about here. But it's obvious the Lakers have a big advantage in this position.
Originally posted by lal4l
Jordan great player but kobes defense will put him down also Kobe will have to show him a thing or too! This is in his prime!
That's 100% wrong. Yeah Kobe's a great defender, but no one has ever really "stopped" MJ. You can slow him down, and that's all you can do. No way Kobe shuts the greatest player ever down. Heck, Kobe couldn't shut down Reggie Miller in the 2000 Finals. He couldn't shut down Bibby in the clutch. What in the world makes you think he'll stop the most dominant guard in the history of the league???
Originally posted by lal4l
Now Horry awesome who would get him Rodman? I do not know They are both EXCELLENT REBOUNDERS Rodman not being much of an offensive player will not have to do anything but it would be a fight under the boards!
Rodman was an excellent defender. Horry was more of an offensive player. LA would have the edge offensively, but Rodman would probably psyche Horry out and get him to throw a punch at him! But I'd give the Bulls the edge because they had Kukoc coming off the bench.
Originally posted by lal4l
Also Pippen Great player Fox a great defensive player but will have trouble with him? that is where they might have a weeeeee advantage!
Fox, a great defender? he's more of a "good" defender. Pippen was a better defender by a mile. NO WAY IN HELL the Lakers have an advantage here. and Pippen was a hundred times better offensively. Pippen is one of the 50 greatest players EVER. did you hear that? E-V-E-R!!!
Originally posted by lal4l
Then I do not know who played PG was it KERR? If it was Fisher easily
Harper played it in the later years, Chapman (remember in 93? "Chapman for 3....") played it in the earlier years. the Bulls would probably have an advantage here.

So the Bulls would have the advantage at PG, SG, SF, and PF. The Lakers would have the advantage at C. No one gets the advantage at Coach. The Bulls have a better bench (especially with Kukoc). I'd give the Bulls the advantage in the intangables, because they had Michael Jordan. His desire to win was so strong (and this is coming from someone who hated Jordan's Bulls), you literally believed that he was going to will his team to a win. I don't see that desire in Kobe and Shaq.

Bulls have the advantage now in: PG, SG, SF, PF, bench, Intangables
Lakers have the advantage in: C

CONCLUSION: Jordan's Bulls could easily beat the 2002 Lakers
Originally posted by lal4l
Happy postin:biggrin:
Happy postin to you too :)

[milky_way]

Originally posted by lal4l
Kobe would be equal to Jordan now that is no problem Kobe is also a GREAT defensive player and I know Jordan would also have trouble guarding KOBE!
that's like saying Todd McCullah is the equal to Kareem Abdul Jabaar. Why? Because they are both things Bill Walton says! LOL...ok, back to the subject...

Kobe is a good defensive player, yes. Jordan was the greatest defensive player for a guard and possibly EVER, yes. big difference here. Fact is, Jordan was better than Kobe offensively, and he was better defensively. Like i said in my previous post, Jordan's desire to win was never matched. He literally willed his team to win. Just look how they won their last championship (against my Jazz :crying2: ). Who scored the games most crucial 4 points? Who made the biggest defensive stop of the series, against one of the best players ever to play the game? Who took over with 30 seconds left? If it had been the 2002 Lakers that were playing against the 1998 Bulls, it woulda been Shaq that Jordan stripped, and yes, it would have been Kobe who fell on his butt while Jordan sinked the game-winning jumper. There should be absolutely no question that the Bulls have the advantage at SG. to say Kobe is greater than Jordan is just stupid.

[lal4l]

Do not agree with u NO! Kobe would be EQUALL TO MJ also Bench of BULLS! No they only had kukoc that is iT
la
has
LINDEY HUNTER
BRIAN SHAW
MITCH RICHMOND
SAMAKI WALKER
DEAVAN GEORGE COME ON GUY LA IS BEST!

[milky_way]

Originally posted by lal4l
Do not agree with u NO! Kobe would be EQUALL TO MJ also Bench of BULLS! No they only had kukoc that is iT
la
has
LINDEY HUNTER
BRIAN SHAW
MITCH RICHMOND
SAMAKI WALKER
DEAVAN GEORGE COME ON GUY LA IS BEST!
YOU'VE GOT TO BE KIDDING ME!!! Kobe is in NO WAY the equal to Jordan! Jordan is the greatest player ever and is the most dominant guard ever. Kobe isn't even the clear-cut best SG in the League today.

The Chicago bench had Kukoc and some other guys (i can't remember thier names), but they contributed just as much if not more than LA's bench people. But come on; Hunter, Shaw, Richmond, George and Walker did basically NOTHING for LA in this year's playoffs.

[lal4l]

KOBE IS EQUAL and also FOX WOULD slow down Pippen

[milky_way]

Originally posted by lal4l
KOBE IS EQUAL and also FOX WOULD slow down Pippen
Jordan = Greatest Ever
Kobe = not even the best SG in the League today

Kobe probably wouldn't be able to stop the Jordan of today. There's no way in hell he'd be able to stop Jordan in his prime. Jordan is better than Kobe in all aspects of the game. there's absolutely NO WAY they are equals!

Fox can't handle Pippen! i can't remember, but was he the one guarding Jalen in the Finals in 2000? If he was, then he couldn't hold down Jalen, and Pippen in his prime was better than Jalen.

[Hurricane Floyd]

Id take the old bulls any day

[milky_way]

BTW, lal there's a typo in the subject of this post. Anyone can bet Jordan's Bulls ;)

[bd811]

UH OH!!! I THHINK lal's gone NUTS!!!!!

the 80's lakers? yes. they woulda beat the bulls? the today lakers? LMFAO!

Rodman would actually be the one guarding shaq considering he shut him down in the playoffs. So Shaq, although still good, wouldnt score 40 points or nothin.

Bulls bench is sooo much better! Kukoc, Kerr, Brown, Buecheler, Wennington(and then through the years they had Salley, Edwards, Parish, Burrel, Bison Dele).

Kobe would just look like a chump against MJ. If MJ could beat some of the greats of his time(i.e. Payton, Stockton, Magic), he would surely beat Kobe.

Pippen vs. Fox? theres nobody who wouldnt take pippen in a heartbeat(well, no one who knows anything about basketball). Pippen was consistently elected to the all-defensive team(as were Jordan and Rodman!)

the bulls defense would have shut them down, not to mention they woulda scored a lot of points with Pip, MJ, and Toni.

oh, and milky way, for the record, it was Paxson , not Chapman :biggrin:

[milky_way]

Originally posted by bd811
oh, and milky way, for the record, it was Paxson , not Chapman :biggrin:
my bad, i was thinking of the Suns. He did hit the shot against them ;) :)

[bd811]

Originally posted by lal4l
KOBE IS EQUAL and also FOX WOULD slow down Pippen

Pippen was guarded by some better players in the playoffs, and they didnt slow him, what makes you think Fox , of all people, would be able to slow down Pippen.

sorry dude, the bulls just had too many weapons. I'm beginning to wonder if you even saw this BUlls team play...

[milky_way]

Originally posted by bd811
I'm beginning to wonder if you even saw this BUlls team play...
lol, i was wondering that too.

[GiveHyzduashot]

He hasn't seen them play. If he did, he's insane for thinking LA could beat Chicago in a best of seven.

MJ is simply THE best guard to EVER play, and arguably the best player ever. Kobe is very good, but will NEVER be anywhere CLOSE to MJ. Advantage: Bulls.

Rodman would hold Shaq to 20 points, and would have Shaq fouled out with 5:00 to go at the latest. Advantage: Even.

Pippen is much, MUCH better than Fox. Anyone who says otherwise is nuts. Advantage: Big time Bulls.

Kerr is equal to Fisher, and the center has a slight disadvantage over Horry.

The huge advantage is the bench, it doesn't even come CLOSE. La, the role players for LA SUCK, plain and simple. The Bulls' role players actually played the whole game. Kukoc WOULD be the third best player on today's Lakers.

The Bulls would win this series in 6 easily, maybe 5.

[Baseball Guru]

Well said Josh...I pretty much agree with everything you said....

MJ vs Kobe isn't even funny...When you say that they are equal you lose some credibility as an NBA knowledgeable fan....Sounds like a Laker homer, no disresprect intended but I know lots of people like that who look at their teams like that...

I have a friend that everytime the Lakers lose its the refs fault...
Always has an excuse....It can NEVER be that the other team may just be better that night....Drives me nuts:hmm:

[imgreat95]

Lal has proven many times that he doesn't think anyone can be better than the Lakers.

Dude, the fact that the height of the Bulls run happened in 1994-98ish, when you were about 6 years old, explains it all to me. Those Bulls would crush the Lakers. I would say Bulls in 5.

[Hurricane Floyd]

maybe its because he is a lakers fan that he thinks they could win.. not happening though.

[GiveHyzduashot]

I'd even go so far as to say if you put MJ, Rodman, Pippen, Kukoc, Kerr, Wennington, Cartwright, Brown, and Buecheler against Shaq, Kobe, Fox, George, Fisher, Horry, Hunter, Shaw, Richmond, etc. TODAY against LA the Bulls would STILL win. 6 would be a struggle, but I do think the Bulls would STILL win no matter what time and era.

[Special_K19]

You really can't blame lal for his love of the Lakers, we all have a team we love that dearly, but lal, you're love of the team is blinding you to the facts:the Lakers, while good, aren't in the Bulls' league. Simply put, you can NOT compare Kobe, Fox, and Horry to Jordan, Pippen, Rodman (or Grant in the first three). I applaud your strength to stick to your guns, but look at the facts.

[milky_way]

Originally posted by Special_K19
(or Grant in the first three)
i forgot Horace played for the Bulls...that was when he was good too!

[bd811]

yea Horace was the workhorse of that bulls team. He was all over the place(not as good as Rodman though!)

[lal4l]

I am not saying that Jordan was not better but Kobe is great and could slow him down very much and with the FoX thing it is diffrent I know PIPPEN IS MUCH GREATER PLAYER then him but he would just slow him down

BUT HORRY AND RODMAN??

[bd811]

Originally posted by lal4l
BUT HORRY AND RODMAN??

what about it?? Rodman wouldnt let Horry score a point or take one single rebound if they went head-to-head!

[lal4l]

ANYWAYS even if the lakers now could not beat THEM THIS I AM SURE THAT THE SHOWTIME LAKERS WOULD WIN! THIS I KNOW!

[bd811]

yea? I agree. so?

[GiveHyzduashot]

So what if the Showtime Lakers could beat these Bulls? This whole argument is about THIS year's Lakers, not other Laker teams. So whether the 80's team could beat the Bulls is irrelevant. Stick to the topic.

Also, I don't remember anyone saying you said Kobe was better than MJ. But it certainly is implied when you say "Jordan great player but kobes defense will put him down ... " and then say "This is in his prime!". I read "put him down" to mean better than MJ. Kobe couldn't stop MJ NOW, let alone when MJ was in his prime. That was a completely ridiculous thing to say.

You say Pippen is a much greater player, but Fox would slow him down. Isn't that contradictory of you? Either Pippen is a greater player, or Fox would slow him down. But not both.

[lal4l]

OK:eviltongu :eviltongu :eviltongu :eviltongu :eviltongu :eviltongu :eviltongu :eviltongu
:eviltongu :barf: :barf: :

[imgreat95]

I was listening to a talk show this afternoon out of some city out west. They were talking about how if the Lakers should win this championship, they just may be the worst team to ever win a championship in pro sports.

[MarylandMan]

Bulls easily.

Pippen would dominate Fox.

Rodman would grab 15+ rebounds, dominate Horry on defense.

Jordan vs. Kobe? No question, Jordan all the way.

Shaq would dominate, I admit. He'd get 30-35. But Rodman would get many boards over him.

Kerr was a much, much better shooter than Fisher. Fisher can't pass the ball worth crap, neither could Kerr. Kerr was better.

Dude, I have no clue why you even mention Mitch Richmond when trying to defend the Lakers' bench. He has played a grand total of 2 minutes during these playoffs and he just utterly sucks. True, he had high scoring averages in the early 90's with Sacramento, but that was only because that team SUCKED and he was the only one on the team with any talent whatsoever.

Ron Harper, Tony Kukoc, Luc Longley, Horace Grant are a million times better than Brian Shaw, Lindsey Hunter, Devon George, Samaki Walker.

[lal4l]

Originally posted by imgreat95
I was listening to a talk show this afternoon out of some city out west. They were talking about how if the Lakers should win this championship, they just may be the worst team to ever win a championship in pro sports.

Ok OK i might be wrong about the Lakers bulls but STILL I KNOW THAT THE LAKERS ARE NOT THE WORST TEAM TO WIN i HAVE TO TELL U SHUT UP ON THAT ONE PLEASE i HAVE RESPECT FOR U BUT MAN THAT IS THE STUPEDEST THING I HAVE HEARD! Please do not take that bad but i am sorry what u said is BOGUS!:barf: :barf: <<<that is what i do to what u say u r just pissing me off! U do not know anything about basketball

[Hurricane Floyd]

Originally posted by lal4l


Ok OK i might be wrong about the Lakers bulls but STILL I KNOW THAT THE LAKERS ARE NOT THE WORST TEAM TO WIN i HAVE TO TELL U SHUT UP ON THAT ONE PLEASE i HAVE RESPECT FOR U BUT MAN THAT IS THE STUPEDEST THING I HAVE HEARD! Please do not take that bad but i am sorry what u said is BOGUS!:barf: :barf: <<<that is what i do to what u say u r just pissing me off! U do not know anything about basketball I believe it and AGREE with it at the same time.

[lal4l]

U need to stick to baseball!

[imgreat95]

I believe it too. Of course, I have not seen every team to have ever won a championship... BUT.. after the starting 5, what do the Lakers have? Which one of those players would even be a 6th man on another championship team?

[Hurricane Floyd]

Originally posted by lal4l
U need to stick to baseball! you need to stop thinking tha tthe Lakers are the best and only team.. there NOT!!!

[bd811]

well i dont know about ever, because like shawn, I havent seen all of the chmpionship teams. But I'll tell you this much: this team wouldnt have beat the showtime lakers(or any other lakers dynasty), the celtics dynasties, the bad boy pistons, or the bulls dynasty. That covers a lot of ground there.

[imgreat95]

once you take awy the Boston, lakers, and bulls dynasties, you are not left with much. They have combined to win 34 out of 55 championships. Some of the others were Dr. J's Sixers, among others... Sorry Lal.. but compared to those teams, this season's Lakers are nothing.

[lal4l]

no there a great team they are real good THEY HAVE 2 SUPERSTARS! REPEAT 2 SUPERSTARS u guys just do not like the lakers u know they r good! AND ONE OF THE BEST U JUST WaNT TO PISS ME OFF

[bd811]

yep lal you got it! its all some kind of conspiracy that we all want to piss you off! :hmm:

You are so involved with the lakers that you fail to see that they ARE NOT the best team ever.

most championship teams do have 2 superstars--sometimes 3! The Bulls had Pippen Jordan and Rodman. The Celtics had Bird, Mchale, and Parish. The Lakers had Kareem, Worthy, and Magic. The other celtics teams had Russel Cousy, and a ton more over the years. The Pistons had Dumars, Thomas, Rodman, Salley, etc. Get the picture? Saying that the lakers have 2 superstars does not make them a great team. one man teams dont win championships

[lal4l]

No i do not agree Rodman in there he was a role player and I DO NOT THINK THE LAKERS ARE THE BEST EVER
Boston with Aurebach was better I admit that

[Baseball Guru]

Hmmm, not sure if I buy the fact that this would be the worse team to win a Pro sports championship but they may have easiest championship series to win....

They had a pretty tough road to the championship but the championship game itself was one of the easiest....

[PissedPrincess]

Of course the Lakers are NOT the worst pro-sports team to win a Championship, that's ridiculous. They are a very good team. :)

[bd811]

Originally posted by lal4l
No i do not agree Rodman in there he was a role player and I DO NOT THINK THE LAKERS ARE THE BEST EVER
Boston with Aurebach was better I admit that

no Rodman wasnt just a role player. He played a MAJOR role if thats what you mean. He provided championship experience, he was elected to the 1st defesnsive team, he averaged nearly 20 rebounds a game! we wouldnt have won without him. We didnt have a great center to stop the other centers but we had a great power forward to stop shaq.

this lakers team is not the worst dynasty ever, byt they are certainly not one of the worst. I'd say middle of the pack.

[lal4l]

Originally posted by Baseball Guru
Hmmm, not sure if I buy the fact that this would be the worse team to win a Pro sports championship but they may have easiest championship series to win....

They had a pretty tough road to the championship but the championship game itself was one of the easiest....

I agree with James the Lakers had a tough road to get to the FINALS but in the finals the NETS are no challenge whats soever but you know that is how you learn remember the Lakers got swept by the Spurs on there way to the ship! Then the Spurs won!

[lal4l]

Ya u heard me

[milky_way]

Originally posted by lal4l
This Years LAKERS healthy can beat Bulls
Well I guess we'll never know now will we? ;)

[bd811]

doesnt mean a damn thing Tony. Since theyre never healthy, its a moot point. Thtas just as good as saying if a team had Shaq, Duncan, Kidd, Bryant, James, McGrady, Iverson and Garnett on one team, they could beat the Bulls.

[Grunt_107]

I'm a little late for posting here but I have to go for the bulls... Even though its a few years before my time:( . From what I can see (from reading all the posts here) The more educated ballers say that the bulls would own the lakers, and the bandwagon Laker fans that worship Kobe are ignorant enough to think that Kobe would outplay MJ:umm... Well thats it... If the lakers couldn't beat the Spurs... they can't beat MJs bulls.

[lal4l]

Grunt if I may wait i WILL correct you it gets me going when ppl say I am on the Lakers bandwaggon i HAVE ALWAYS liked the Lakers and always WILL! this is why i have so much respect for BD and UJ and Milky they stick with their teams for ever and i will be a lakers fan till the day i die! I know this! I have been when they were getting swept by spurs i always have been a fan

[Steffo]

And yet, you always think those stupid little Lakers will OWN anyone. The chance of a healthy team is 10-30% chance for a full seven games, so there is no point in saying a healthy team would beat the bulls, it won't happen. The Lakers will beat my Suns, Milky's Jazz, and BD's Bull's of this year, but they won't beat the legendary Bulls.

[lal4l]

Well then that works both ways what are the chances fo the bulls being so healthy????

[imgreat95]

Tony---those Bulls almost were ALWAYS healthy. That is part of what made them the thing of legends.



Could the Lakers really bet the Bulls, though?? IOsn't gambling illegal in the NBA too?

[renuszm]

The Lakers, even if they are healthy are not near those Bulls teams. The Lakers right now are in 5th place and have lost 19 games already at the all star break. That one Bulls team lost only 10 games in that whole season.

[bd811]

Originally posted by renuszm
The Lakers, even if they are healthy are not near those Bulls teams. The Lakers right now are in 5th place and have lost 19 games already at the all star break. That one Bulls team lost only 10 games in that whole season.

Exactly. And I do not want to hear that a major injury would have hurt them so severely that they would not overcome. Pip missed a good portion of '97-'98 because of injury, but they still won 62 games.

They won 55 in their first year without MJ. That was a team that, even though they had the greatest player on Earth, did not completely depend on one man.

[renuszm]

The poll says it all, Bulls with 11 votes.

[lal4l]

Wait when they lost only 10 games wasnt the only time some1 major was out Rodman for suspension?? i thought that was the case??

We have gotten screwed
Kobe has been out 14 plus games!
Shaq out 12 games!
Malone out for 2 months back plus more till MARCH

Fox has been out all year!
horace grant out for personal reason

Kobe out with legal problems

PLEASE correct me guys just wanna get things straight

[renuszm]

As someone pointed out earlier, Health is a big reason as to why the Bulls had so much success and why there one of the greatest teams ever, the Lakers do not have that, they are in 5th place, they didnt win the championship last year and may not again this year, that is not better then the Bulls.

[awefullspellare]

Bulls > Lakers

and unless when all healthy they just dominate the playoffs (which I dont see happening) the u can argue the oposite

[lal4l]

Originally posted by awefullspellare
Bulls > Lakers

and unless when all healthy they just dominate the playoffs (which I dont see happening) the u can argue the oposite

yup i guess we will have to c man that is the only way you can say it..

[renuszm]

And one more thing to say. Rodman was more then a role player, he averaged 18 boards one season. How many Lakers are doing that right now?

[lal4l]

Originally posted by renuszm
And one more thing to say. Rodman was more then a role player, he averaged 18 boards one season. How many Lakers are doing that right now?

Malone was doing what 14?!

[renuszm]

Originally posted by lal4l
Malone was doing what 14?!
He is averaging 9.5 boards a game, and you consider him a star, so I would consider Rodman a star.

[lal4l]

How many points? assists?

Rodman was one of the biggest Role players

[bd811]

Without Rodman, the Bulls would not have won crap. Nearly 20 rebounds a game is ridiculous!:eek: He was one of those hustle guys, who creat plays and create points. Without him, the Bulls never make it past the Eastern Conference finals.

All-defensive first team

Rebound King

[renuszm]

Originally posted by lal4l
How many points? assists?

Rodman was one of the biggest Role players
How many points does Ben Wallace have? Is he a role player? Uhh no, hes considered one of the best in the game and possibly Detroits best player....

[lal4l]

Well Rodman was easily their 3rd best player is what i am saying

[renuszm]

Originally posted by lal4l
Well Rodman was easily their 3rd best player is what i am saying
Yep. And Gary Payton is the Lakers third best player. Whats your point?

[lal4l]

Or is it Malone?

[renuszm]

Maybe, it could be either, I say it this point in their careers its Payton, but Malone is still valuable.

[lal4l]

Ya

I didnt startout this thread this year... This was something stupid from last year and I ESPECIALLY messed up when i put in the WORD easily no1 could EASILY beat that team

[bd811]

This year's has more talent than previous years and would put up a better fight, but their team chemistry and their ability to function as a unit is questionable. That first Bulls team with Paxson, Armstrong, Grant, Cartwright, and 2 other guys whose names I can't recall, grew up together. They were, for the most part, together for about 6 or 7 years depending on how you look at it.

The other team clicked right away. Everyone's roles were established and they performed them night in and night out without complaint for the most part. I don't think there has ever been more love for a center the quality of Bill Wennington or a gueard with the talent of Randy Brown than there is in this city. :D

I think the fact that the roles were so defined was a large factor in the greatness. Jordan was the leader. Pip was second in command. Rodman was there for defense and rebounds, and no one griped when he didn't score much. Toni was the first man off the bench. He could have started on most other teams at the time, but he accepted his role. Kerr was the 3-point shooter. Everyone had their set role, and the fact that no one was trying to do something they were not capable of and stuck to their strong suits made the team so good.

Then there was the obvious injury-free factor that added to their greatness, but that basically speaks for itself.

[lal4l]

Thanks BD for all that info...