If Hasek goes....

[Trots]

Who do you think will be the Wings next goalie? Mike Richter, Eddie Belfour, Curtis Joseph or someone else?

[Baseball Guru]

Don't you even think about Richter!!:brick: :mad: :angry:

[Trots]

Today's rumor is the Rangers aren't all that interested in keep Richter. If that's true, the Wings won't be the only one in the market for him.

[Baseball Guru]

I know but it doesn't mean I'm happy about it!!

I love Richter!!!:thumbsup:

[imgreat95]

Originally posted by Baseball Guru
I know but it doesn't mean I'm happy about it!!

I love Richter!!!:thumbsup:

so wha\y don't you marry him?

[Baseball Guru]

If I can get half his money I may consider it;) :biggrin:

[imgreat95]

hgasek is an ass...


(I know this thread isn't reall about him, but i feklt the bneed to say so....

[Baseball Guru]

Originally posted by imgreat95
hgasek is an ass...


(I know this thread isn't reall about him, but i feklt the bneed to say so....


Who is this Hgasek person you speak so highly of;) :biggrin:

[Tigers#1]

Originally posted by Trots
Today's rumor is the Rangers aren't all that interested in keep Richter. If that's true, the Wings won't be the only one in the market for him. This is off topic, but why are the Rangers, like all other New York teams? Every year they get the biggest name players available, then SUCK! They've got an excellent young goalie in Blackburn, why do they need to go out and get Joseph? I think SI needs to change the worst team in pro sports from the Clippers, to the NY Rangers!

[Baseball Guru]

Originally posted by Tigers#1
This is off topic, but why are the Rangers, like all other New York teams? Every year they get the biggest name players available, then SUCK!



Ummmm, I will agree that the Rangers are a very, very underachieving team but what other NY teams have the biggest name players and SUCK???

[Tigers#1]

I said that wrong. I meant all the other NY teams go out and get the biggest names out there.

[GiveHyzduashot]

That's inaccurate, Tigers. The only team that does that on a consistent basis is the Yankees. The Mets did it this year, but typically, they haven't.

The Jets don't do it, the Giants don't do it, the Islanders very rarely do it.

Stereotyping a city of teams based on one team is inaccurate, and, IMO, wrong. That's like me saying all Pittsburgh teams suck, when only one does.

[Tigers#1]

:hmm: I knew i shouldn't of said anything.

Of course the Jets and Giants don't do it. There's a little thing called the "salary cap" in the NFL. And the Mets do go after big talent every year, not just this.

I'm not trying to start a pointless "NY bashing" thing here, but New York teams, typically do go after the bigger names. I'm mostley aiming this more towards the NHL, because i'm sick of people saying the Red Wings "bought" the Stanley Cup, because they got 2 over the hill player, the same year the Rangers got Eric Lindros and Pavel Bure, and the Islanders got Yashin, and Peca.

[Baseball Guru]

Well Lindros is a horrible example IMO as they took a HUGE chance on him after missing so much time the last few seasons....Remember, this wasn't the same Lindros of 5 seasons ago....
The Islanders have sucked since the early 80's so they have certainly not bought their talent.....
Yes they got a few players this year and they finally made the playoffs so they certainly did not underachieve...

And please give me some examples besides this year of the Mets buying all their talent???
That statement is not accurate at all...

[Tigers#1]

Originally posted by Baseball Guru


And please give me some examples besides this year of the Mets buying all their talent???
That statement is not accurate at all... WHO SAID THIS? This is why i said i shouldn't of said anything, because i knew everyone would twist my words around. Alll i said was "NEW YORK TEAMS GO AFTER BIGGER NAMED TALENT". Which they do. And it's not a knock.

And Lindros is still, a better player, than Robitille, and Hull, and even Hasek. . .right now.

Please, everyone read everything i write before *****ing my head off.:hmm:

[GiveHyzduashot]

Well there's a little thing called a salary cap in the NBA and NHL, yet the Knicks, Islanders, and Rangers don't go after the big name players on a consistent basis. So using the salary cap for football is a bad example.

The Mets very rarely go after big name talent. The only big time talent they acquired before this year was Piazza. And maybe Benitez (unsure of how he was acquired??).

[Tigers#1]

There's no salary cap in the NHL! And the Knick used to go after big name players, before that(Alan Houston, Latrell Sprewell etc.).

And the Rangers usually don't go after big named talent??? Who is Theo Fleury, Mark Messier, Wayne Gretzke, Curtis Joseph(almost), Eric Lindros, and Pavel Bure? And thats just off the top of my head!

And the Mets got Mike Piazza, Al Leiter, Mike Hampton, Kevin Appier, John Olerud, Pedro Astacio, Armando Benitez, Robin Ventura, Roberto Alomar, Mo Vaughn, Jeromy Burnitz?

What point are you trying to make anyways? For the last time, this isn't a knock. It's a fact.

[Trots]

Okay, it's my turn. If #1 is saying that NY teams tend to pursue marquee players, I would agree. Those with the easiest opportunity to do so, the NHL and MLB teams as they not restricted by salary caps, have and do look at acquiring stars. They are in the largest media market in the world and need stars to help sell seats. He listed the names of the players the NYR have gotten in recent memory, we don't need a list for NYY and the Mets are usually linked to a number of players each off-season, not just this past one.

It's not limited to free agents, either. Trades are often made as NY general managers are often in between the rock and a hard place. Even when you don't have a good team, I think it helps if you have some star power on the roster. Hence, the Rangers willingness to sign Lindros, acquire Bure, the Knicks signings of Houston (who wanted out of Detroit) and Sprewell's acquistion and others.

If that is the direction #1 was going, I don't think that's negative nor incorrect. However, NY is hardly alone. Note A-Rod in Texas. Quite frankly, I think that's the way sports are going in general. It's the NBA-style of marketing. Done properly, it also can win titles, as the Wings have proved.

[Tigers#1]

Thanks Trots. Thats what i was trying to say. It's not a knock to say they go after big named players.

[I Are Baboon]

Well, Hasek made it official today. I'm not upset. Thanks, Dominator, for the Stanley Cup win. :)

Now the Wings need to go after Cujo or Byron Dafoe!

[Tigers#1]

I really hope they don't go after Dafoe. I would much rather have Ed Belfour for a year or two, or even go with Manny Legace.

By the way, does anyone know whatelse the Wings owe Buffalo? I thought it was a third round pick next year, but i also heard, that if the Wings won the Cup, they'd owe them a first round next year.

[GiveHyzduashot]

Not sure on the third rounder, but the deal was if the Wings won the Cup, they'd pay a first rounder THIS year ... not next.

[Trots]

Rumors are flying about Hasek's potential replacement. Cujo and Belfour top the list. Richter (sorry, Guru), Dafoe and Potvin are also UFA's. There are also trade rumors about a guy like Mike Dunham. I really like Cujo, but think Richter would be a great fit.

Today's other Wing news, not that anyone cares, is that the Rangers are going to offer both Cujo and Chelios big money. Apparently, Sather has stated that the Rangers won't be outbid for Joseph and the deal on the table for Chelios is about 6.5 million per season.

IMO, the Wings almost have to re-sign Chelios, even at the expense of losing Cujo.

[Tigers#1]

No way. The Rangers, spending big money? That's unheard of!:biggrin: lol

I personally never really wanted Chelios back. And now that he wants a 3 year deal, worth 9 million a YEAR, i think we can afford to lose him. A Curtis Joseph, in the prime of his career, is worth much more. I think we can signCujo, and another big named player, with the loses we've had. We saved 8.5 million on Hasek, 4.5 on Krupp, 4 million on Larionov, and whatever Chelios was making.

[Tigers#1]

And, even though i know it won't happen, i wouldn't mind losing Fedorovs big salary, and trade him for a few youngsters. He's a free agent next year, and with players like Boby Holik getting offered 13 million a year, he's going to ask for a lot, a problably walk.

[Trots]

As tremendous as Hasek was this season, he wasn't vintage Hasek imo. I really think a number of goalies could have won the Cup with this team, this year. A BIG reason for that was Chelios' Norris Trophy nominated defense, plus his help in the development of Jiri Fischer. I can't think of anyone on the roster now who could replace Chelios.

Too often the young players or role players on championship teams get over-valued. It was certainly true of the Pistons during their run, as it has been for many teams. (Does anyone really think the Lakers supporting cast could do as well w/o Shaq and Kobe?) I just don't see the Wings "kids" or role players filling the void should Chelios bolt.

As for filling his spot with UFA's, wouldn't the Wings have to pay just as much for a player of his quality? Assuming there is a defenseman of his caliber available. Signing Chelios, even at his age would seem more important to me than getting Cujo.

I prefer Cujo over all the other UFA netminders, and he's probably my favorite goalie in the league, but his performance at the Olympics was scary. His record in the post-season isn't all that great, either. I'm just not convinced that Belfour (who I don't like) or Richter (who has won the Stanley Cup, won a World Cup playing for the US) couldn't provide the Wings with the same quality as Cujo, but for less money. Money that could be spent on Holik, Guerin, etc....

As for Fedorov, let's wait another season before opening that can of worms. My guess is that two or more players will be gone via retirement by the end of next year, Yzerman being the biggest name, creating more money for Sergei.

[Trots]

Today's Red Wings rumor: Belfour is the front-runner amongst the UFA goalies. He'll be cheaper and have a shorter contract. It sounds like Cujo just may be too expensive.