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imgreat95
07-07-2002, 02:42 PM
Savran: All-Star Game no longer a classic

Saturday, July 06, 2002








A disclaimer: This column might make it appear that I actually care about baseball's All-Star Game and its selection process. I don't. If I watch at all, it will only be for the player introductions.

I always enjoy seeing who among the participants gets booed the most.

Then it's a quick click of the remote to whatever sordid made-for-TV-movies the networks show for summer filler.

I didn't always feel this way. Few did.

The All-Star Game was dubbed the Midsummer Classic because it was.

Following baseball from an American League city, you got to see National League players only on rare occasions -- a sporadic Saturday glimpse on the Game of the Week, which was just about the only baseball game shown on TV most weeks.

And, of course, the World Series and the All-Star Game. Those were my only chances to see Willie Mays, Henry Aaron, Don Drysdale and Sandy Koufax.

In fact, given that there were only about a dozen or so games televised locally then, it afforded more of an opportunity to see American League stars such as Mickey Mantle, Al Kaline and Frank Howard.

Today there are five games televised on any given summer's eve, so I can see All-Star players often.

Interleague play has lessened the intrigue of games against unfamiliar faces and teams.

And what has really dulled the All-Star Game is that its outcome has been rendered meaningless.

It has always been an exhibition, but there was a time when you got the sense it was more than that to the players. They were entrusted to uphold the honor of their league.

But today, with free agency, how many players play in just one league their entire careers?

Players change leagues as often as they change their socks these days, so any allegiance to a particular league is gone.

It used to be that if you began your career with the National League, you were a National Leaguer for life. You would put your body in harm's way to win for your team and your league.

I doubt you will ever see another Pete Rose/Ray Fosse collision at home plate.

Additionally, with the players moving around like gypsies, chances are they're playing against former teammates in the All-Star Game -- guys they got to know very well before dollars were allowed to draw and quarter teams.

So while players still play hard and certainly want to win, I believe the pride they're trying to protect and preserve is their own, not that of their league.

Nevertheless, even though I'm an All-Star Game conscientious objector, I offer this suggestion. For years Major League Baseball has been concerned, obsessed really, with how the All-Star starters should be selected -- fan balloting, selection by players, managers, coaches, assorted media, Ouija board, tarot cards, picking names out of a batting helmet.

But never have baseball officials been terribly concerned with the process governing the selection of the pitchers and the reserve players.

Those players constitute more than two thirds of the rosters, and therefore ought to be given at least that much of the attention.

At present, the managers of the respective teams do the honors. That's why the American League has five shortstops, but no spot for its home run leader.

And why the Nationa League can't find a place for two of its best players, Larry Walker and Brian Giles. I say its time -- long past the time -- to take that responsibility away from the managers.

I suggest a panel of experts select pitchers and reserves. Choose anyone from former players to former managers -- people still following the game closely -- but people without any close connection to any team. And keep the managers out of it.

Arizona and National League Manager Bob Brenly chose six of his own. You can't argue Randy Johnson, Curt Schilling and Junior Spivey, but you certainly can question the other three.

Unless the Diamondbacks trade for Giles, Brenly won't have to see him for the rest of this season. He does have to eyeball Luis Gonzalez every day.

As well respected as Joe Torre is, he also has been guilty of taking too good of care of his own. The managers should be relieved of the potential conflict of interest, thereby removing the appearance of bias. Lead us not into temptation.

I should probably recuse myself from all matters relating to the All-Star Game. But I might decide to watch a bit this year.

I realize there's a strong possibility I won't be able to see any of those five American League shortstops in the playoffs or World Series this fall.

Baseball Guru
07-07-2002, 03:14 PM
Well Savran is entitled to his own opinion....

People are always wanting to change something with the game...
There is always controversy on someone that gets left out that should be there but that is part of the fun, talking about it and debating who sho be and who should not be there.....
I definitely agree that Giles and Walker should be there but who do you take off?? Jones more than likely but who else??
Lo Duca deserves to be there as well....
Thome?? Of course, it sucks that he wont be there but it goves us all a lot to talk about....

I for one still enjoy and look forward to seeing the A.S game as I have seen just about every one of them since the early 80's....

I remember as a young kid, probably around 7 years old or so, my parents not letting me stay up to watch the game and I had my little black and white tv next to me on in bed but kept the volume very low and whenever I heard them coming down the hall I would just adjust the blackness and still listen to the game very low...:biggrin:

imgreat95
07-07-2002, 03:30 PM
well, see James.. I completely agree with Stan. Especially on the part about taking the managers out of the selection process. I am pretty sure that it was you who I was talking to who agrees with that. But, maybe not.

For me, the AS game is no longer even fun to watch. I used to make sure that I was home every year at the game just to see it. Now, I don't even care as I have not seen a game in a few years. It is no longer fun for me, and it has nothing to do with the selection process. To me, it is mostly because of interleague play and the abundance of games on TV.

Baseball Guru
07-07-2002, 03:38 PM
Nope it wasnt me that you were talking with about the managers being out of the selection....I donn't have a problem with it although maybe they should have a limit on how many of their own players they can select....


I still LOVE the game......
Question, would you like to see Interleague play discountinued or less games on TV??

imgreat95
07-07-2002, 03:54 PM
personally, I would prefer to see interleague play discontinued.

GiveHyzduashot
07-07-2002, 05:32 PM
I'd agree managers need to be taken out of the selection process. Let every manager have a say in the reserves. Have each manager fill out a ballot, and the players with the most votes go to the game. Any tie and the All Star game manager breaks the tie. How difficult can that be?

James, take out Gonzo and Jones and put in Giles and Walker. That's pretty simple. Giles and Walker are more deserving than Gonzo or Jones. Also take out Santiago and put Lo Duca in.

I'd also agree with Shawn that interleague play needs to stop. It doesn't have the feel it once did.

As for the game, I watch it every year. Mostly, I watch it because it's usually been the only baseball game on during that three day break, but scenes like Ted Williams I'll never forget and that's also part of the reason I'll watch. But if the game wasn't broadcasted, I wouldn't care nearly as much as I would have three or four years ago.

Baseball Guru
07-07-2002, 05:37 PM
I still personally like Interleague play...I get jacked up when the Mets play the Yanks and i also enjoy seeing different teams that I never get to see in person (even in ST) at the Trop....

imgreat95
07-07-2002, 05:46 PM
I'm not saying that I don't like seeing the new teams. Heck, I saw the A's for the firts time ever, and the Rangers for the first time since I as in Texas. The problem that I have with interleague play is that it is not fair to the teams as it is designed. If every team in the division played against the SAME interleague opponents, then it would be fair. As it is now, it isn't.

That being said, as it relates to the AS game, I used to watch the AS game because it may be my only chance during the season to see Wade Boggs... or Cal Ripken... Don Mattingly, etc... If they were playing today, I would see them every day. As I see it, that dulls the AS game.

The same actually goes for the WS. I remember how exciting it was in 1989 to see the A's and Giants playing in the Bay Bridge Series. If that were to happen today, I would not really enjoy it NEARLY as much.

GiveHyzduashot
07-07-2002, 05:46 PM
My biggest problem with interleague play is when two teams are fighting for the division, and one team plays mostly an easy IL schedule while the other plays a difficult one. That's not fair at all.

Most fans would get jacked up to see the Mets and Yankees. But what about the Pirates v. Tigers? The Pirates playing the Rangers? Florida playing the D-Rays? Now the counter point is what about Schilling against Pedro. Yeah, that's great and all, but we need to go through a number of bad games to see one game worth watching. And my belief is Pedro against Schilling is for the playoffs or the ASG, not for a regular season game. A few years ago when it first started, I was completely in favor of it. But now, it's dull. Bonds in Yankee Stadium was nice, though. I did enjoy that. And that otherwise couldn't happen in the WS (Giants don't have the firepower) or ASG.